OAO Raw Thread For 2/19

[RonL21 0]

Maybe its because I was a fan of DDP's out of nowhere style delivery of the Cutter, but god I hate the pre-RKO posturing.

i thought i was the only one....Diamond Cutter from over 52 different positions plus he carried Goldberg to a 4 Star match....

[Human Fly 0]

The posturing would not be so bad if he hit it more often after setting it up.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Kenny gets a MITB qualifier match Im guessing.

 

Probably vs Kahli.

 

I doubt that Kahli will be in the MITB match as he will probably have a match with someone that will give him a challenge

 

 

You can tell they are building to Kahli vs. Umaga

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

It's funny that people are arguing over Perfect getting into the Hall of Fame. Vince's limo driver is in the Hall, for fuck's sake. Anyone can go in.

[cabbageboy 0]

I actually didn't mind RVD jobbing to Edge tonight since I can at least see him winning some sort of lame qualifier on ECW to get into the MITB anyway. I would assume Orton has to be the other Raw guy in it, since there is frankly nothing else for him otherwise. I'm amazed no one has thought CM Punk might be the other ECW guy in the MITB match. Take him and RVD from ECW, Orton/Edge from Raw, and Kennedy and either Matt/Rey from SD and it balances out with 3 heels and 3 faces.

 

You know the saddest aspect of Raw? Van Dam may well have been the most over guy on the show, and he's flat out 100% buried.

[BorneAgain 0]

I have my doubts about Rey being back as soon as Mania. Matt I see doing a tag with Jeff against MNM/Londrick/WGTT combination.

 

Rob will likely doing the Originals vs. New Breed match.

[cabbageboy 0]

Putting RVD in that match is so lame though. They can't do Sabu/Sandman/Dreamer/Balls as the Originals team against Monty Brown/Burke/Thorn/Striker from the New Breed? Van Dam and Punk are the only ECW guys who should be in the MITB at all. They were the only ECW guys who did shit in the Rumble too.

 

Thing is, how would RVD qualify for the MITB at this point? Another goofy battle royale on ECW TV?

[BorneAgain 0]

Putting RVD in that match is so lame though. They can't do Sabu/Sandman/Dreamer/Balls as the Originals team against Monty Brown/Burke/Thorn/Striker from the New Breed? Van Dam and Punk are the only ECW guys who should be in the MITB at all.

I give you that, but I don't think its out of the question for somebody from Raw or SD to jump just so they can have a supposedly over "ECW" talent in without having to stick RVD out there.

[CBright7831 0]

Is Ultimate Warrior the only person to kick out of the perfect-plex?

- Hulk Hogan

- Bret Hart

[Maztinho 0]

Is Ultimate Warrior the only person to kick out of the perfect-plex?

- Hulk Hogan

- Bret Hart

 

Big Show

 

That's right. Hennig should get in based solely on the fact that he Perfectplexed the Big Show.

 

And the argument that Owen should get in, and not Hennig is dumb. They basically had similar careers titles wise, and most of thier careers were high second tier heels.

 

DDP's Diamond Cutter out of nowhere ruled. Didn't he used to say he had over 100 variants to it? Randy's should be even more out of nowhere since he only uses one arm anyways.

[Wrestlefreak 0]

RVD/Edge was a good match. I don't see the point of putting Edge in MITB. I'd rather see Edge/Orton at Mania.

 

Great to see Curt Hennig in the Hall of Fame!

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Only caught the end of RAW, but I thought Cena/Orton was a pretty good match, up until the finish. Personally I've been liking Orton's ringwork lately. His style is fairly "old school" Southern heelish.

[cabbageboy 0]

The difference between Hennig and Owen is that Hennig always seemed like a guy who could in theory jump to the main event, but never quite did in the WWF. Owen was always a bit too much of a goofy dork to be a serious threat. Hennig's problem mostly was that he was a mid sized heel during an era when people expected most heels to be of the big fat variety in the main event. If Hennig was in his prime right now he'd have no problem main eventing in the current WWE.

[Naked Snake 0]

I actually didn't mind RVD jobbing to Edge tonight since I can at least see him winning some sort of lame qualifier on ECW to get into the MITB anyway.

 

 

 

MITB tournament in single elimination, so RVD can't qualify again.

 

Anyway, I really enjoyed RAW and liked the bit at the end where HBK teased superkicking Cena. However the silly DVD plugs is not something that is going to sell tickets for WrestleMania.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Raw could be nothing but turds on a plate for two hours for the next few weeks and Wrestlemania would still sell out.

[cabbageboy 0]

Yeah, cause Lashley last year didn't win a Battle Royale on SD after Finlay already beat him to qualify.

 

Last night was troubling on one level. I really hope they don't go with the MITB winner actually using the shot at the end of WM. There are certain PPVs you can do this on, like NYR. But WM shouldn't have such a BS finish to it.

[haVoc 0]

ECW preview says Lashley Vs Holly Vs Kennedy for the ECW title and CM Punk Vs Johnny Nitro in a MITB match.

[TheFranchise 0]

Yeah, cause Lashley last year didn't win a Battle Royale on SD after Finlay already beat him to qualify.

 

Last night was troubling on one level. I really hope they don't go with the MITB winner actually using the shot at the end of WM. There are certain PPVs you can do this on, like NYR. But WM shouldn't have such a BS finish to it.

We had this with Hogan, Yoko and Bret.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

Is Ultimate Warrior the only person to kick out of the perfect-plex?

- Hulk Hogan

- Bret Hart

 

I recently saw a fun match between Roddy Piper and Perfect and Piper kicked out of the Perfect-plex as well.

[Ace Austin 0]

Kenny gets a MITB qualifier match Im guessing.

 

Probably vs Kahli.

 

I doubt that Kahli will be in the MITB match as he will probably have a match with someone that will give him a challenge

 

 

You can tell they are building to Kahli vs. Umaga

 

 

They are both heel and Donald won't pick khali to represent him

[Guest panthermatt7]

This is random, but did it look like Mickie and Melina botched a move right before the end of their match? Mickie attempted a hurricanrana off the top turnbuckle (IIRC) and landed on her head, and Melina just stood there for a few seconds before doing the bridge for the pin. And during the entire time during Melina's pin, Mickie was holding her head/neck. Did anyone else catch that, or did she just do a really good job of selling?

[razazteca 0]

Concerning Randy Orton's move why must the first attempt always be a miss? Talk about being predictable it seems like everybody from fat oily guy to JR to Khali can block the first RKO attempt! I wanna see Randy Orton finish a match with one of his 3 minute chinlocks that will be sold as a choke!

[cabbageboy 0]

You know, that whole Yoko/Bret/Hogan fiasco at WM IX is a major reason that show is listed near the bottom of all WM lists. Would they really want to repeat such an angle?

[razazteca 0]

Kenny gets a MITB qualifier match Im guessing.

 

Probably vs Kahli.

 

I doubt that Kahli will be in the MITB match as he will probably have a match with someone that will give him a challenge

 

 

You can tell they are building to Kahli vs. Umaga

 

 

They are both heel and Donald won't pick khali to represent him

I expect the Donald to choice either the guy with the book deal or the guy with the reality series both of whom are part time employees who show up 3 times a year at best.

[Promoter 0]

Perfect's AWESOME...

 

but was never a huge draw, never a WWE main event talent, did nothing good in WCW, held up WWF storylines & basically pussied out of the company after being put over several mid-card heels and making them look like fools in 1996, and had his only (brief) run at the top in the AWA, which was dying.

 

Awesome worker. Talker. Heel. Top notch.

 

But there's a lot more that are more deserving.

 

Guys like Perfect and Rude never mainevented because of guys like Hogan and Warrior and politics in general.......the fact that Warrior got a mainevent run while Perfect and Rude couldn't is pretty sad.

 

 

Like for real. Perfect and Rude were in the wwf during Hogan's HEY DAY! You think they deserved a run as HEELS much less as world champion in the wwf back then? Savage was just that over and was even lucky due to Honky Tonk Man being a prick about dropping the IC title. Perfect would easily be a main eventer today in his prime. Perfect actually headlined house shows as IC champion in 1990 and 1991.

[Thanks for the Fish 0]

I think Vince choosing Umaga was a mistake because of the mainstream publicity this is garnering. Umaga isn't going to capture the interest of any non-fan and lure them in to watch. Whomever Trump chooses needs to be solid on the mic as I don't expect Trump to show up to carry his side of the feud all too often. Foley as Cactus Jack would make sense, as would Hogan if you believe all of the recent animosities are a work, another option would be self-made Millionaire JBL, however with Umaga losing the match, do you really want to put a retiree over at his expense?

 

What are the other options? Benoit is a possibility, however he's limited on the mic. Booker T could be really fun actually and is probably my pick right now. Bobby Lashley should defend the ECW title in a stand alone match, though given Umaga has the IC title, I could see it as a Champion vs Champion Umaga vs Lashley match. Of course Benoit vs Umaga would be chamion vs champion as well.

 

back to Umaga as VKM's choice, given the main stream publicity that Umaga might get, it this a pre-emptive to the Samoa Joe push from TNA, to establish Joe as the cheap rip-off in the eyes of the lay fan?

 

I'd book Umaga vs Booker T, as I think Booker would be hilarious in the role and his schtick could work as a face as well. Booker carried SD! for a large part of the year and deserves a high profile match at WM23.

[Corkscrew_Senton 0]

I think Vince choosing Umaga was a mistake because of the mainstream publicity this is garnering. Umaga isn't going to capture the interest of any non-fan and lure them in to watch. Whomever Trump chooses needs to be solid on the mic as I don't expect Trump to show up to carry his side of the feud all too often. Foley as Cactus Jack would make sense, as would Hogan if you believe all of the recent animosities are a work, another option would be self-made Millionaire JBL, however with Umaga losing the match, do you really want to put a retiree over at his expense?

 

What are the other options? Benoit is a possibility, however he's limited on the mic. Booker T could be really fun actually and is probably my pick right now. Bobby Lashley should defend the ECW title in a stand alone match, though given Umaga has the IC title, I could see it as a Champion vs Champion Umaga vs Lashley match. Of course Benoit vs Umaga would be chamion vs champion as well.

 

back to Umaga as VKM's choice, given the main stream publicity that Umaga might get, it this a pre-emptive to the Samoa Joe push from TNA, to establish Joe as the cheap rip-off in the eyes of the lay fan?

 

I'd book Umaga vs Booker T, as I think Booker would be hilarious in the role and his schtick could work as a face as well. Booker carried SD! for a large part of the year and deserves a high profile match at WM23.

 

Well, that may be the thinking with an Umaga push, but I think you'd have to be a clown to buy it. It'd be like pushing the uber-offensive Saba Simba character to counter 2000-era Booker T. The only thing similar is the race of the worker.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Trump is the face in this feud, so he has to pick a big time babyface. Maybe Lashley?

[foleyfanforever88 0]

Trump is the face in this feud, so he has to pick a big time babyface. Maybe Lashley?

 

Isn't it all but certain that it's going to be Foley? Why do people keep going back to Lashley, who will probably be defending his belt at WM?

[Ace Austin 0]

Trump is the face in this feud, so he has to pick a big time babyface. Maybe Lashley?

 

Isn't it all but certain that it's going to be Foley? Why do people keep going back to Lashley, who will probably be defending his belt at WM?

 

 

 

yea i agree with you and I believe Donald will pick Foley because he will definitely pick a face so booker is out of the question and lashley will most likely be defending the title.