TUF V: The Thread

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I imagine since Diaz has been asking for Lauzon since day one they'll run Joe/Nate and Gray/Manny. Either way, any combination of those four for the finals will be fucking sweet. Easily the most promising quarter-finals of any season of TUF.

[starvenger 0]

lollerzorz at mentally unstable, voices-in-his-head, split personality Corey.

Must be fun to be Corey Hill's kid

[Youth N Asia 0]

I was hoping to see Matt vs Joe in the finals, but after that last fight f that. I think Dana's going to try and save Joe and Nate for the finals...but then again doing that also got him Brad Imes and Rashad Evans in the finals (GRANTED, this was before Rashad became a monster)

 

And while Corey is annoying, he's also hella likeable

[Rendclaw 0]

I just hope that Corey makes the right decision when it comes to people to train him. He has so much raw potential its scary.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Well he's had solid offers from Jens and Jeremy Horn when it comes to training after the show. Sounds like you really can't go wrong with either of those.

[starvenger 0]

BTW, Leonard "Bad Boy" Garcia vs Monstah Lobstah at the Finale in addition to Penn/Pulver and Huerta/Doug Evans. Are they even trying to make UFC 72 look good?

 

Because of Penn/Pulver and Huerta, not Garcia/Lobstah, that is.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Griffin/Guida will be better then anything on the TUF Finale.

[Lei Tong 0]

Now I'm really hoping Guida gets Yunker'd again.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I'm hoping one day you break out of your shell and make references we can all understand.

 

EDIT: OH SHIT I GET IT! OMG CHOKEOUT

[jwpeer 0]

Karo is nuts. So funny.

[Matt Young 0]

Lauzon claims he's going to be victorious in the first round. Somehow, I don't see him taking out Gamburyan that easily.

 

Manny wins 1 minute into round #3.

[Matt Young 0]

Why is there an old man in a brown suit sleeping in the background?

[Nate 0]

Fruit War was funny, surprised Dana didnt have an F word fit over that

[Angel_Grace_Blue 0]

Loved the shot of Weems cleaning up the fruit remnants. I mean, of course they got Wayne to do it, lollerz.

 

Also, 10 stacks for winning ping-pong? That's about what a lot of the UFC fighters get per match, which sucks.

[The Ill One 0]

You just have to love the dramatic pseudo-slow motion moments during that ping-pong game. Man, BJ blows at ping-pong or maybe Jens has found something to fall back on (just in case). By the way, how do you guys see Penn versus Pulver going?

[jwpeer 0]

That is a challenging round to score

I'd either give it 10-10 or 10-9 diaz.

 

Amazing round

[jwpeer 0]

Can't believe BJ trying to say gray won that round 10-8...he's so crazy.

 

Good fight. Nate just had so much more skill than Gray, you could see that in round 1...well Dana could...not sure about BJ

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

10-9 Gray, no way can you give that first round to Diaz when he's getting beaten up like that.

[jwpeer 0]

10-9 Gray, no way can you give that first round to Diaz when he's getting beaten up like that.

 

 

Umm. He got cut once...hit like twice. If you watch closely, his strikes from the bottom were MUCH more precise than any of Gray's from the top. He attempted about 15 different submissions. MMA isn't just about 'getting beat up'. It's about controlling the fight and attempting to win.

 

I could give that round to Diaz no problem, in fact I'd be remiss to EVER give that round to Gray, because he got one decent elbow in, that didn't slow Diaz down at all? No way.

[KingPK 0]

Diaz is going to be a big favorite for the final. All Manny has done this season is sit on his opponents for 10-15 minutes to get the decision. If he tries that with Nate, he's going to get caught with something.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Aw fuck, there was another new ep at 11?

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

10-9 Gray, no way can you give that first round to Diaz when he's getting beaten up like that.

 

 

Umm. He got cut once...hit like twice. If you watch closely, his strikes from the bottom were MUCH more precise than any of Gray's from the top. He attempted about 15 different submissions. MMA isn't just about 'getting beat up'. It's about controlling the fight and attempting to win.

 

I could give that round to Diaz no problem, in fact I'd be remiss to EVER give that round to Gray, because he got one decent elbow in, that didn't slow Diaz down at all? No way.

 

 

 

If you think he got hit twice then I'm not going to bother. Watch it again. Bottom line is MMA is a fight, if I'm getting my ass whooped but I'm throwing up subs and none of them are causing the tap, I'm not gonna feel like I won the round. I'd feel embarrassed that I did all that work and made no effect on my opponent, while I have a bunch of bruises and cuts on my face. The strikes from the bottom were not as effective, they look nice, but really don't hurt that much compared to how much damage was done from top. If you don't think that slowed down Diaz then you should explain why after they stood up he was lobbing those jabs and couldn't keep his hands up. He was hurt.

[KingPK 0]

I didn't know that either until I came on here and saw people talking about it. Typical "last day" episode: guys get drunk and break stuff and someone gets his head shaved.

[Mik 0]

Oh yeah... Manny definitely Koscheked his way to victory against Lauzon and Wiman.

 

That whole last episode was incredible... from the slow mo ping pong shots (topped by Dana's expressions), to Cole getting his head shaved, to the entire fight...

 

But nothing topped Nate Diaz's elegant speech on what it means to be an emotional fighter.

[jwpeer 0]

If you think he got hit twice then I'm not going to bother. Watch it again. Bottom line is MMA is a fight, if I'm getting my ass whooped but I'm throwing up subs and none of them are causing the tap, I'm not gonna feel like I won the round. I'd feel embarrassed that I did all that work and made no effect on my opponent, while I have a bunch of bruises and cuts on my face. The strikes from the bottom were not as effective, they look nice, but really don't hurt that much compared to how much damage was done from top. If you don't think that slowed down Diaz then you should explain why after they stood up he was lobbing those jabs and couldn't keep his hands up. He was hurt.

 

 

Explain why Gray gassed so fast at the beginning of the 2nd round then, if he wasn't being worked extra hard in the 1st?

 

I STILL don't see how you can say he was getting his ass 'whooped'. He got hit -solidly- twice. One on an elbow, and one on a nice looping right while he was in the middle of a sweep. And how can you say those punches weren't effective at all, because they sure slowed down Gray when he threw them. There is a big difference between crappy strikes from guard (which I've seen plenty of) and the ones that Nate threw in two series of strikes (Not all of them, but there were two series where he threw a combination of nice upstrikes).

 

And working your opponent over for submissions can use HIS energy up, and also will put you in good position. If he wasn't constantly looking for submissions, he wouldn't have gotten the position advantage in the early second round, and Gray may not have hurried so much to defend a nonexistant leglock, if he hadn't kept trying them in the first round.

 

And Diaz always has his hands like that. He STARTED the fight like that.

 

But at the end of the day if you JUST score a round based on 'damage' then it doesn't really reward people for attempting submissions and maintaining control of a fight and TRYING TO FINISH THE FIGHT. And as a -judge- and in -judging- a round, you're supposed to judge who won the fight, based on a variety of factors. Damage isn't even one of those factors, actually, though it surely can play a part.

 

And if those strikes really 'slowed' him down, why wasn't gray able to maintain control at ANY point in the fight, and why was Diaz able to constantly apply submissions entirely unaffected. Damage, to me, means you impede the other persons ability to fight.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Oh yeah... Manny definitely Koscheked his way to victory against Lauzon and Wiman.

 

Seriously shut up with this whole "Koschecked" thing.

 

1st off... Wiman and Lauzon were considered among the favorites to win the contest. Everyone (Not me) were suprised to see Manny defeat them.Both fighters were very strong, and both times Manny was very active on top landing and trying to land shots. Lauzon espcially had a nice guard and did his very best at the bottom to try to avoid Manny getting mount position and landing shots.

 

2nd off... This whole "Koschecked" thing is an absolute bullshit urban legend. Since he has been on the "Ultimate Fighter", 4/7 of his victorys have not gone to desicion. And the only time you can really accuse Koscheck of lay and praying was in the Fickett fight. In the Joslin fight, he was very active trying to get past Joslins amazing butterfly guard, and even he couldnt, he was still throw and landing on top which won him the fight. The Diego fight was a straight stand up fight, with Koscheck fighting a smart stand up fight and trying to counter Diego, who didn't throw at all. If anything blame Diego for the reason why the Koscheck/Sanchez 2 fight was so boring.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

If you think he got hit twice then I'm not going to bother. Watch it again. Bottom line is MMA is a fight, if I'm getting my ass whooped but I'm throwing up subs and none of them are causing the tap, I'm not gonna feel like I won the round. I'd feel embarrassed that I did all that work and made no effect on my opponent, while I have a bunch of bruises and cuts on my face. The strikes from the bottom were not as effective, they look nice, but really don't hurt that much compared to how much damage was done from top. If you don't think that slowed down Diaz then you should explain why after they stood up he was lobbing those jabs and couldn't keep his hands up. He was hurt.

 

 

Explain why Gray gassed so fast at the beginning of the 2nd round then, if he wasn't being worked extra hard in the 1st?

 

I STILL don't see how you can say he was getting his ass 'whooped'. He got hit -solidly- twice. One on an elbow, and one on a nice looping right while he was in the middle of a sweep. And how can you say those punches weren't effective at all, because they sure slowed down Gray when he threw them. There is a big difference between crappy strikes from guard (which I've seen plenty of) and the ones that Nate threw in two series of strikes (Not all of them, but there were two series where he threw a combination of nice upstrikes).

 

And working your opponent over for submissions can use HIS energy up, and also will put you in good position. If he wasn't constantly looking for submissions, he wouldn't have gotten the position advantage in the early second round, and Gray may not have hurried so much to defend a nonexistant leglock, if he hadn't kept trying them in the first round.

 

And Diaz always has his hands like that. He STARTED the fight like that.

 

But at the end of the day if you JUST score a round based on 'damage' then it doesn't really reward people for attempting submissions and maintaining control of a fight and TRYING TO FINISH THE FIGHT. And as a -judge- and in -judging- a round, you're supposed to judge who won the fight, based on a variety of factors. Damage isn't even one of those factors, actually, though it surely can play a part.

 

And if those strikes really 'slowed' him down, why wasn't gray able to maintain control at ANY point in the fight, and why was Diaz able to constantly apply submissions entirely unaffected. Damage, to me, means you impede the other persons ability to fight.

 

Gray maintained top position and was doing damage, and even if Nate was throwing submission attempts Gray was in no danger during the 1st round of being submited. He won the 1st round 10-9 without question IMO.

 

I expected Nate Diaz to catch him in a submission just based of the fact Diaz can take punishment and still be in the game, and Gray being new to the sport of MMA would get caught in submission eventually to a submission expert like Diaz.

[starvenger 0]

2nd off... This whole "Koschecked" thing is an absolute bullshit urban legend. Since he has been on the "Ultimate Fighter", 4/7 of his victorys have not gone to desicion. And the only time you can really accuse Koscheck of lay and praying was in the Fickett fight. In the Joslin fight, he was very active trying to get past Joslins amazing butterfly guard, and even he couldnt, he was still throw and landing on top which won him the fight. The Diego fight was a straight stand up fight, with Koscheck fighting a smart stand up fight and trying to counter Diego, who didn't throw at all. If anything blame Diego for the reason why the Koscheck/Sanchez 2 fight was so boring.

Yes, it was smart strategy on Koscheck's part, but the fact is that neither guy really did anything in that fight. The blame lies with both fighters there.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Actually, now knowing what we know about the severity of Diego's staph infection I'd say the blame goes the way of 75% Koscheck and 25% Sanchez.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Nate vs Grey already aired??? Did they go back to back last night?