Chris Benoit Dead - Toxicology results released

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Well of course this was roid rage. We can now lump Benoit in with all the other baseball players, football players, bodybuilders, power lifters, cyclists and track stars that got roided up and murdered women and children in the last 25 years.

 

Steriods my fucking ass. The dude was a psycho.

[1234-5678 0]

According to a post on Wrestling Classics, Benoit killed his son with the Crippler Crossface.........no BS..........

[Nightwing 0]

I'm not angry... I'm just really disappointed.

 

Seriously. I mean, what he did was absolutely horrible, no question. But from everything that's been said here, I can see how Eddy's death would send him down this self-destructive path. From things being said, I'd say that the Chris Benoit that did this was not the Chris Benoit that people have watched for so many years, but just a shell of his former self. The fact that it got so far as to come down to this is just sad.

 

Understand, I'm not trying to justify his actions, but I think that it goes beyond him just murdering his family in cold blood. He had deeper problems that should be looked at and need to be understood; who says this can't happen again in a business that is, for the most part, is small and closely knit. I think the WWE really needs to make sure that Chavo gets proper care, especially after losing a close relative and a close friend basically out of the blue in two years.

[Chalmation 0]

a local ad for the july 10th new orleans arena smackdown/ecw just came on

 

they haven't erased him yet

 

you can still see his face and then him doing a flying headbutt

[ashamed wrestling fan 0]

According to a post on Wrestling Classics, Benoit killed his son with the Crippler Crossface.........no BS..........

 

I thought it was the Orange Goblin's "Finger Poke of Doom"?

 

 

[TheFranchise 0]

I'm not angry... I'm just really disappointed.

 

Seriously. I mean, what he did was absolutely horrible, no question. But from everything that's been said here, I can see how Eddy's death would send him down this self-destructive path. From things being said, I'd say that the Chris Benoit that did this was not the Chris Benoit that people have watched for so many years, but just a shell of his former self. The fact that it got so far as to come down to this is just sad.

 

Understand, I'm not trying to justify his actions, but I think that it goes beyond him just murdering his family in cold blood. He had deeper problems that should be looked at and need to be understood; who says this can't happen again in a business that is, for the most part, is small and closely knit. I think the WWE really needs to make sure that Chavo gets proper care, especially after losing a brother and a close friend basically out of the blue in two years.

 

I was going to stay 100% out of this thread, but I must say, I must echo everything that was said here.

 

Benoit was somebody that I really, genuinely looked up to. Believed in, respected.

 

If you asked someone who they thought could do that in the wrestling world, I gaurentee you'd get thousands of names back before Benoit's. Something hasn't been revealed, something somewhere happened to Benoit that maybe isn't known yet. Yes, the Eddie thing might have affected him more than we or his real friends realise, but to kill your wife is something, but your seven year old son is something else.

 

I'm disappointed and saddened because I classed Chris Benoit as a role model.

[Boxer 0]

In case you missed it from ECW tonight via wwe.com:

 

A message from the Chairman

Written: June 26, 2007The following message from Vince McMahon aired at the beginning of tonight's ECW on Sci Fi:

 

Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world--entertain you.

[MrRant 0]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/power25/

 

Benoit is up to 7 from 8. He should be #1 by the end of the week.

[ashamed wrestling fan 0]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/power25/

 

Benoit is up to 7 from 8. He should be #1 by the end of the week.

 

You wonder how they're going to work this into the new Smackdown vs. Raw game

[Perfxion 0]

Simple he would be completely removed from the game and only links of him left would be: Triple German, Crossface, and Diving Head-BUTT. All his taunts and likelyness completely gone for history.

[Downhome 0]

Crimson Mask I at WC just posted the following:

 

Okay I've gotten a little more info. Some of this is gonna be repetitive to what's already been posted. Some of it is gonna be very graphic.

 

He killed Nancy on Friday night. He overpowered her, shoved her to the floor and tied her hands and feet or vice versa, put his knee in her back, wrapped the TV cable around her neck and strangled her by pulling up on it, and smashed her face into the floor after she died, accounting for the blood under her head. The police theory is that she told him she was leaving and taking Daniel.

 

About 12 hours later on Saturday morning, he killed Daniel in his room with the Crippler Crossface.

 

About 18 hours after that, on Sunday, he went into his weight room in the basement, wrapped his neck with some kind of cloth, fixed the pulley cable from his weight machine around it with the stack engaged, held himself down on the bench with a pair of heavy dumbbells, and then released the dumbbells, letting the pulley snap up and hanging himself on the weight machine.

 

The police theory is not roid rage because of the time gaps between the killings. They believe steroids may or may not have contributed to his mental problems as he's been acting in a paranoid manner for the past year or so, believing somebody was out to get him, but they are not looking at them as a direct cause.

 

They suspect killing Daniel was in the nature of a control freak issue---the idea of the child being taken away, or being under someone else's control after they die, is too much for them---but mostly because this is the most typical scenario in parental killings, and they don't think they'll ever know what was going on in Chris' head.

 

There was no note. They're still not sure if he text messaged anybody other than Chavo. It was Chavo who alerted the authorities that something was wrong.

[Superfly Snuka 0]

I do find it ironic, in retrospect, that the last PPV Benoit was supposed to perform at was opened by Jimmy Superfly Snuka (notorious women beater and likely murderer).

[Atticus Chaos 0]

This can't get anymore fucked up.

[Downhome 0]

And just to clear up any questions, go to WC if you don't believe me. CMI goes on to say that they decided on the crossface because of the exact brusing on the body.

[vivalaultra 0]

If it's true that he killed his 7-year old son with the finishing maneuver that he used for his professional character...that's clearly psychotic and shows that he was deluded and not able to seperate his real life from his character. That's just...man.

[Perfection 0]

Alright, time to weigh in on some of the dumbassery from this thread. I'll give myself a break and only go back five pages.

 

 

 

 

"If he had just snapped and killed both in the span of a few minutes that would be at least somewhat understandable."

 

No, it wouldn't be. Murder's murder, regardless of how premeditated it was.

 

 

Wrong. There is a reason why premeditated murder is usually considered a more serious crime and given harsher sentences than a heat of a moment outburst. What he did in terms of its calculation and premeditation shows he was in control of what he was doing, which makes it even worse. When I say "more understandable" is the fact that a lot of people can lose it in a moment of extreme anger but its a differant ballgame when someone plans out and executes two murders over the span of 24 hours like he did, than a several minute deranged outburst. Most people realize there is a difference in the degree of evilness between the two....except your brilliant self of course.

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Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone

“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

 

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone

“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”

 

Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone

“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.

Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

 

Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone

“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.

Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

 

Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone

“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

 

 

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My one observation.

 

 

Mr. Benoit's life is now the very definition of a tragic story. His entire life was devoted to wrestling, to perfecting that craft. However, in one moment of lunacy he ruined every bit of hard work and dedication he put into that goal, as he will now never really be remembered and respected for that which he worked so hard. And in fact, it may be said that his very same dedication and zeal for that one goal, was what led him to be so unstable as to allow him to make such a terrible decision. Perhaps a measure of irony as well...bleak dark irony though it may be.

Truly a tragic story.

 

Not perhaps, sympathetic in the end, however. But it's a common flaw for us to misuse the idea of tragic stories with sympathetic/heartwrenching ones.

 

 

Just my reflection on this whole situation.

 

He was obviously a sick, sick man. One could make a conjecture that the loss of his one close friend really left him reaching. Unfortunately as is often the case, he may have needed quite a bit of help...but being a man perhaps hurt him the most. Not only would he have too much pride to ask for it...no one would think that a 'strong', 'dedicated', 'respected' male figure could be so fragile mentally.

 

Clearly, no sympathy. What he did was terrible. Wrong by any standard, and without any justification. But not the actions of someone who did not believe they were wrong...just too sick and lost to change it. Too bad he couldn't get help before it got to this. Sucks big time.

 

Probably a good thing for everyone to just be much more aware of the people close to you...and don't be afraid to push them if you think something is wrong. "Letting things go" is never a good idea.

 

 

I can say from my perspective...I don't hate the man. But I certainly don't think of him as anyone but a sick, broken person who could have done better, and perhaps had TOO much focus on one aspect of his life. A lack of balance, as it were, led him down that path.

 

I certainly don't think of him in the same light as I did before though, if I ever see any of his matches again, it'll be without admiration...simply a bit of sadness for the whole situation.

 

 

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

RIP Benoit Family

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Guys, watch on continuously reposting information.

[Guest Macaroni]

I'm still wondering what Benoit's first wife has to say about this, whether she has any insight about how character from their marriage.

[Superfly Snuka 0]

And just to clear up any questions, go to WC if you don't believe me. CMI goes on to say that they decided on the crossface because of the exact brusing on the body.

What is "WC" and "CMI"? And are these really credible websites?

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Crimson Mask I at WC just posted the following:

 

Okay I've gotten a little more info. Some of this is gonna be repetitive to what's already been posted. Some of it is gonna be very graphic.

 

He killed Nancy on Friday night. He overpowered her, shoved her to the floor and tied her hands and feet or vice versa, put his knee in her back, wrapped the TV cable around her neck and strangled her by pulling up on it, and smashed her face into the floor after she died, accounting for the blood under her head. The police theory is that she told him she was leaving and taking Daniel.

 

About 12 hours later on Saturday morning, he killed Daniel in his room with the Crippler Crossface.

 

About 18 hours after that, on Sunday, he went into his weight room in the basement, wrapped his neck with some kind of cloth, fixed the pulley cable from his weight machine around it with the stack engaged, held himself down on the bench with a pair of heavy dumbbells, and then released the dumbbells, letting the pulley snap up and hanging himself on the weight machine.

 

The police theory is not roid rage because of the time gaps between the killings. They believe steroids may or may not have contributed to his mental problems as he's been acting in a paranoid manner for the past year or so, believing somebody was out to get him, but they are not looking at them as a direct cause.

 

They suspect killing Daniel was in the nature of a control freak issue---the idea of the child being taken away, or being under someone else's control after they die, is too much for them---but mostly because this is the most typical scenario in parental killings, and they don't think they'll ever know what was going on in Chris' head.

 

There was no note. They're still not sure if he text messaged anybody other than Chavo. It was Chavo who alerted the authorities that something was wrong.

 

How is all of this known in such detail? The Crippler Crossface part just sounds like...I don't know. I'd honestly have trouble telling someone that just because it sounds so fabricated.

[Downhome 0]

And just to clear up any questions, go to WC if you don't believe me. CMI goes on to say that they decided on the crossface because of the exact brusing on the body.

What is "WC" and "CMI"? And are these really credible websites?

 

WC = WrestlingClassics

 

CMI = Crimson Mask I, an Administrator

 

And yes, I feel that he's very credible. Here is an exact quote from quote from the DA Scott Ballard:

 

"A chokehold was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there’s no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."

 

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

WC is the WrestlingClassics message board. It is a well-run board with credible, intelligent posters. Dave Meltzer frequents the board regularly. Crimson Mask is a well-respected admin and is very knowledgeable and respected.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I wonder if Benoit tricked is son into a pretend wrestling match?

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

And just to clear up any questions, go to WC if you don't believe me. CMI goes on to say that they decided on the crossface because of the exact brusing on the body.

What is "WC" and "CMI"? And are these really credible websites?

 

WC = WrestlingClassics

 

CMI = Crimson Mask I, an Administrator

 

And yes, I feel that he's very credible. Here is an exact quote from quote from the DA Scott Ballard:

 

"A chokehold was used to strangle the boy rather than hands, because there’s no bruising consistent with a strangling by hands."

 

While pressure is cut off in the Crossface, wouldn't death be caused by a snapped or fractured neck, not suffocation?

[Nightwing 0]

But the Crossface isn't a really a 'chokehold', and if it were used that way, Benoit would have to lower his hands to pull across the kid's neck. I mean, that sounds more along the lines of a Dragon Sleeper or even a regular Sleeper, where it's the arm and not the interlocked hands that are putting all the torque/pressure on the body.

 

So I call bullshit on the Crossface. It'd leave some sort of hand marks just because he's pulling his hands across your face (or in this case, your neck).

[Bruiser Chong 0]

I wonder if Benoit tricked is son into a pretend wrestling match?

Are you suggesting that Benoit made Daniel tap?

[Mecca 0]

So he has been suffering from issues for awhile.....been through alot of stuff.....she tells him she's leaving and taking their son and that's the moment he goes over the edge never to return.

 

I'm honestly not surprised by this scenario, that's pretty sad to actually not be surprised by something like this. Sounds like a man that was going through some very severe mental and emotional problems far more severe than even anyone close to him would ever understand.......I think that goes back to him being private and never letting anyone in so to speak.

 

Just a sad situation all around.