Danville_Wrestling Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 My friends and I have been arguing that Clemens has been on the juice for a while so it's interesting to see that this report may confirm that. Hopefully with the number of pitchers on here this may shift some of the media's focus away from hitters. It's funny that although a lot of substance abuse violators since the policy was enacted have been pitchers the media has for the most part focused on steroids performance for home runs. Bad day for baseball, though, with many top stars that you have marketed being named.
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 ~NOT RICH GARCES! I think someone forgot to tell him he had to actually exercise after taking 'roids to reap the benefits.
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 I'm looking forward to seeing what Bud Selig has to say about all this.
treble Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Did they really need to put Ozzie Canseco on there?
Danville_Wrestling Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Part of me is thinking that if Bud Selig had any dignity and any respect for baseball that he'd resign after today's report. But who am I kidding. He'll just look into the camera like a zombie and say that major league baseball will do everything it can in the future to root out these cheaters and do something about its steroid problem.
naiwf Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 I'm looking forward to seeing what Bud Selig has to say about all this. "I'm not here to talk about the past. I'm here to be positive about this subject."
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Here's the report. http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf And yes, it goes into detail about how why each player is named.
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 The report makes Bonds look worse than he already did before, if that's possible at all.
RHR Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Kerry Wood. Mark Prior. KERRY WOOD. MARK PRIOR. KERRY FUCKING WOOD AND MARK FUCKING PRIOR!!!!!!????????? What the fuck? Jesus, Bonds/Clemens/Canseco et al take roids and break records. Wood and Prior break Cubs fans hearts. Christ, even when we cheat we lose.
tominator89 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 The report makes Bonds look worse than he already did before, if that's possible at all. I actually think it makes him look better considering how widespread steroid use was.
devo Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Plenty of former Mets, but no current Mets. That's all I care about. Can't say I'm too surprised by Lo Duca's involvement.
Perfxion Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 This report doesn't make Bonds look worse, it makes him look like the 79 other users on the list that took roids and other drugs to play better. If anything with the number of pitchers on this list. I am more to believe that more pitchers need to face the media venom than the big three home run kings.
Mik Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 FYI, the list on the first page is INCORRECT. Here is the list. No Pujols. No Prior. No Wood. Below, a complete list of players mentioned in the Mitchell Report. All the players listed in the section 3B: "Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball" (section 3 is "Radomski¹s Distribution of Performance Enhancing Substances to Major League Baseball Players") Lenny Dykstra David Segui Larry Bigbie Brian Roberts Jack Cust Tim Laker Josias Manzanillo Todd Hundley Mark Carreon Hal Morris Matt Franco Rondell White Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Chuck Knoblauch Jason Grimsley Gregg Zaun David Justice F.P. Santangelo Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ron Villone Ryan Franklin Chris Donnels Todd Williams Phil Hiatt Todd Pratt Kevin Young Mike Lansing Cody McKay Kent Mercker Adam Piatt Miguel Tejada Jason Christiansen Mike Stanton Stephen Randolph Jerry Hairston Paul Lo Duca Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Fernando Vina Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Mike Bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett, Jr. Jim Parque Brendan Donnelly Chad Allen Jeff Williams Howie Clark Nook Logan Section IX. B."Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball" Rick Ankiel, Paul Byrd, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Gary Matthews, Jr., and Scott Schoeneweis, and former players David Bell, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Darren Holmes, John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, and Steve Woodard."
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 So Barry Bonds ISN'T on it?
Guest Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 He is, in a different section, with the rest of the BALCO guys.
Mik Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 I just skimmed most of it, but I found this part very interesting. Steroids aren’t being used anymore on him. Big part of this. Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest. . . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives. . . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That’s his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05 A Dodgers internal memo. They knew he was off the roids he was previously on and then pawned him off on the Marlins, who then, in turn probably knew he would go back on the roids, which he did. Niiiice.
jwest27 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Soooo...no Pujols? Phew. Aw man, Gary Bennet though. I liked that guy.
Guest My Pal, the Tortoise Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Told ya Brian Roberts was too listy.
jimmy no nose Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 So was Pujols actually in there? I heard his name going around all day but haven't been able to find him anywhere in the actual report.
Bored Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Interesting to note that Mark McGwire's name is not on the list and the only real focus on him in the report was his legal (at the time) usage of andro so this could help his HOF chances. Of course Rafael Palmeiro's name isn't on it as well so maybe not.
Guest My Pal, the Tortoise Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Who didn't know that Fat Rodge and his heterosexual life partner were juiced to fuck. How fucking obvious was it when one guy would miss months at a time to clean up for tests, and the other would have various muscles tear and rupture if you looked at him funny?
Guest RyechnaiaSobaka Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Colin Cowherd saw the list and while he didn't name any names he did say that a "midwestern slugger that will upset a lot of people" I would have guessed Thome based on this, actually.
Mik Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 I find it hilarious that Cowherd reported the wrong list. The guy continues to be a clueless d-bag.
Guest My Pal, the Tortoise Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 Matt Karchner pitched for two teams in Major League Baseball between 1995 and 2000, the Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox. Members of my investigative staff contacted him as part of our effort to interview former major league players. Karchner said that during spring training in 1999, he observed two of his Chicago Cubs teammates inject themselves with steroids in an apartment that Karchner was sharing with them. Karchner declined to identify the players. He said that one of the players brought the steroids to the apartment but was afraid of needles and therefore asked the second player to administer the shot. The second player injected the first player with steroids in the buttocks and then injected himself. Later that season, Karchner was offered steroids by certain of his Cubs teammates. Karchner would not disclose the names of players who offered him steroids, but he said that the conversations he had with them involved the general cost of steroids and discussions of “stacking” to build lean muscle necessary for pitchers. Karchner did not report either of these incidents to anyone at the time. Sammy, I'm sure.
devo Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 In the past two hours, I've been told more about Roger Clemens' ass than I ever wanted to know.
Guest cheetoe Posted December 13, 2007 Report Posted December 13, 2007 The Orioles it seems are a really dirty team.
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