scott keith's wmxx review

[slabinskia 0]

here is the link to keith's wm review.I liked 4 of the 12 matches.here are my ratings first.many will think they are too high but then read keiths review.

my ratings

jericho-christian ***1/2

foley/rock-evolution ***1/2

angle-eddie ****

hhh-hbk-benoit ****1/2

 

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/tvreport...reports_id=1506

[Tawren 0]

Keith's a dumbass.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

He overrated the good matches and underrated the bad matches (aside from Brock/Berg), but he's more or less got the right idea.

[res37618 0]

I thought Keith's rant was pretty much right on the money. It was a really odd show, no doubt, but it definitely had that WrestleMania feel, and the main event kicked ass in about fourteen different ways. I freely eat my words - I thought for sure that a triple-threat main event could not be pulled off (a-la WM2000's Fatal Four Way), but it was absolutely awesome.

 

With this show, what was good was AWESOME, and what was bad was REALLY BAD, and even kinda weird (speaking of Brock/Goldy). I'd rank it in the top ten of WrestleManias, definitely, but definitely not number one, or even two or three.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

His review says he game the three way *****

 

Just saving time for anyone really lazy and curious.

[Styles 0]

He was right on the money. I freakin loved Evolution vs. Rock/Foley and thought everyone was really on for that match, and had it **** in my mind, but figured no one would rate it that high, but I guess Keith liked it 1/4* better! I really liked Christian/Jericho too.

 

The triple threat was clearly *****, the only thing I'd have to go back and watch would be Angle/Eddy which seemed a little slow and lost me for a while but the long show probably zoned me out. I had it only around ***1/2 but Im sure if I watch it again with a clear mind I'll like it more.

 

He's got a point about the rest of the filler matches. Besides the 4 excellent matches everything else seemed like filler (well besides Brock/Goldberg which might be **** based on the crowd reactions alone, and Kane/Undertaker which was just a set up for Taker's return), and nothing else warranted above **.

 

I really liked the show, and felt it was the best Wrestlemania ever. If the 2 tag matches and 2 women's matches were scrapped and an hour was shaved as a result, I think it would be universally praised. As is, it was a little watered down, but gets my vote for best ever.

[Fökai 0]

Watching a 4 1/2 hour show tends to devalue each match and their star rating. Everything that Keith overrated in people's minds (handicap match, World title match, WWE title match) should be watched again in a few days and re-rated, simply because most viewers (including me) were falling asleep by the end of the show.

 

Matter of fact, here's Keith explaining the ratings at the end of his review:

 

Here’s the deal with this show: I had the benefit of taping it and watching it while fast-forwarding through all the filler, thus cutting it down to a lithe 2.5 hours or so, and watching it that way, it’s an AWESOME show, featuring 3 ****+ matches (which is pretty much insane, X-7 level stuff) and one very good one in Christian-Jericho. However, there’s a LOT of down-time for this show, because 4.5 hours is just too long to make people sit and watch wrestling.

 

So I’d say get the replay, but be warned – you’ll be extremely bored between the big matches, but if you can deal with that or have the foresight to tape it and watch it later, you won’t be disappointed.

[Styles 0]

Sorry misread your post. By the way, what the fuck did WWE do with my signature!?!? They changed the picture links around...

Edit: Fixed!

[CanadianChick 0]

Hm, I don't know about five-stars, since to me, a five star match is next to impossible to get. But after watching the triple-threat again, it was just as good the second time then it was the first time.

 

I thought he over-rated the Rock match a bit, but to each their own I guess.

[NoCalMike 0]

no way the main event was **** 1/2

[Papacita 0]

By the way, what the fuck did WWE do with my signature!?!? They changed the picture links around...

I saw them before they were fixed. The fact that they replaced Benoit's title win with Evolution has me dying over here.

 

As for Keith's ratings, I think the ME rating may be a little too high (I thought the table spot was a LITTLE BIT contrived), but aside from that, I agree with them. I'm glad the Handicap match got some love, because I really enjoyed it, especially the finish.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Those ratings are way too high.....

 

....is what I said BEFORE I clicked the link.

 

I realise that he REALLY loves the WWE style, aka what 95% of the roster which explains why he likes the show so much. Think logically; is the ME quite possibly the best match ever? That's what ***** indicates.

[TheBostonStrangler 0]

From being there live, I'd give these out as ratings:

 

Triple Threat: Either ****3/4 or *****. It's on par with Benoit/Angle, which I saw live as well. It was TREMENDOUSLY booked, and all three men were on their A game.

 

Angle/Eddie: I'd rate it at about ***-***1/2. It was a little too slow, but I get the feeling that the match probably came out better on TV

 

Jericho/Christian: A fun match at about the same level as Angle/Guerrero. Probably ***1/4

 

Taker/Kane: Boring as hell. Probably *1/2, with about one star being from the entrance

 

Brock/Goldberg: DUD for the match, ***** for crowd reaction

 

Foley/Rock vs. Evolution: Probably *** in my book. I'm surprised that SK went as high as he did on that one. However, I missed a little of the beginning of the match, so maybe the flow just wasn't as good to me. The finish with Orton's RKO was insanely badass, however.

 

Both tag matches came in at * or so, the Cruiser open was ** (just for Kidman's SSP), Molly/Vicky was **, playboy match was a DUD, and Show/Cena was ** or so, mainly due to the massive, massive support for Cena.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

My theory is that Keith actually uses a scale that goes to ****** or at least *****3/4.

[Styles 0]

To those who didn't think the Triple Threat was ***** what fault was there? All the moves were executed perfectly, there was serious drama and the fans were into it, Michael's bladejob was tremendous, HHH tapped clean. There was nothing faulting it from being a perfect match.

[snuffbox 0]

Keith's a dumbass.

Why?

 

Because hes successful?

 

I always read his reviews...Keith and Dames are my must-reads. Granted, SK is quite the dork but his reviews are always a good read.

[Guest BillyTheStud]

Scott Keith has given about 30 matches a ***** rating, so obviously ***** doesnt = ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in his mind.

[Guest Random Hero]

no way the main event was **** 1/2

At least someone has some sense.

[chaosrage 0]

here is the link to keith's wm review.I liked 4 of the 12 matches.here are my ratings first.many will think they are too high but then read keiths review.

my ratings

jericho-christian ***1/2

foley/rock-evolution ***1/2

angle-eddie ****

hhh-hbk-benoit ****1/2

That sounds about right. The only thing I'd change is I might switch jericho/christian and angle/eddie. Angle and Eddie could've been a little bit better, but I wasn't expecting jericho/christian to be as good as it was.

[Guest Random Hero]

To those who didn't think the Triple Threat was ***** what fault was there? All the moves were executed perfectly, there was serious drama and the fans were into it, Michael's bladejob was tremendous, HHH tapped clean. There was nothing faulting it from being a perfect match.

I can't think of anything wrong with it at this precise moment. But...the fact that there was a clean finish, right man went over and noone messed any moves up hardly justifies 5*'s. The crowd wasn't THAT into it at all, they barely reacted for HHH or HBK and Benoit certainly wasn't that over either, until the end. Anyone who calls it a perfect match, is quite frankly either blinded by their delight at Benoits victory or just having a laugh...

 

...and Angle and Eddie was a complete snoozefest. How come star ratings have been so devalued recently?

 

I'm 100% serious here, when I say that the most enjoyable thing about Mania, was Jesse Ventura's IMMENSE beard.

[Styles 0]

The crowd wasn't THAT into it at all, they barely reacted for HHH or HBK and Benoit certainly wasn't that over either, until the end.

Go back and watch it, the crowd was consistently chanting for Benoit. They even BOOED HBK when he ripped off the rolling Germans and chanted for BENOIT when Chris was laid out outside and HBK was making his comeback. The crowd was in love with him and the crowd reactions reached a fever pitch at the end when HHH tapped.

[res37618 0]

Scott Keith has given about 30 matches a ***** rating, so obviously ***** doesnt = ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in his mind.

That is the problem with the star rating system, and a lot of you guys get your panties in a bunch when ANYONE thinks a match was better than you did, especially Keith. I agree totally that it was a 5-star match, but I'm not one of these people that think there are only one or two matches in history worthy of 5 stars. If you really think about the hundreds (actually, thousands) of matches that occur every year (WWE, TNA, ROH . . . and in previous years WCW/NWA, ECW, AWA, etc.) then 30 matches or so is a pretty miniscule percentage of what we've seen over the last 30 years or more.

 

So, get a grip. If we thought it was 5 stars, what's wrong with that? I GUARANTEE that many of you are discounting the quality of the match simply because HHH was in it. He performed at a great level last night, and definitely did what was best for the business.

[Tawren 0]

Keith's a dumbass.

Why?

 

Because hes successful?

 

I always read his reviews...Keith and Dames are my must-reads. Granted, SK is quite the dork but his reviews are always a good read.

Yeah, I hate him because he is successful.

 

He's a dumbass because he called that *****, it clearly wasn't.

 

It was disjointed, featured shitty selling by HBK and HHH, bladejobs by HHH and HBK when neither had been hit in the face, little to no build to the finish, told no story, and (while not very important) had horrible commentary.

 

Everyone sold perfectly? Nope. HBK had his traditional no-selling fun, jumping all over after being hit with big moves, there were chops galore by HBK and Benoit in place of actual transitions, and of course, HHH and HBK were bleeding like hell, which was impressive but for no reason, as neither was hit in the head.

 

There were some pretty cool spots, but they were contrived as hell. The double suplex through the table was so contrived...why didn't HHH do it himself? Why was HHH hurt more, as HBK bounded into the ring to point at HHH? When Benoit had HBK in the crossface and HBK went to tap out but HHH grabbed his arm, why didn't HBK submit verbally? He wanted to, obviously. The superkick out of the sharpshooter was poorly done and took too long to set up.

 

**1/2

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Oh yea, yea, Keith's an *insert insult*

 

*clicks link*

 

[/hypocrite smark]

[Styles 0]

**1/2

You're just a sad, jaded fan, aren't you? Whatever, I guess it had too much HHH in it, and the fact that it was viewed by a mainstream audience in a sold out arena rather than a shady convention center on a bootlegged video tape takes down it's quality...

[Tawren 0]

**1/2

You're just a sad, jaded fan, aren't you? Whatever, I guess it had too much HHH in it, and the fact that it was viewed by a mainstream audience in a sold out arena rather than a shady convention center on a bootlegged video tape takes down it's quality...

Wow, I'm being stereotyped more than Chief Alcoholic Eagle here.

 

HHH being in a match has no problem with me. He jobbed clean. He is OK in the ring.

 

Shady convention center, eh? Depends if it's on handheld or pro shot. Handhelds = credibility. If I see this on handheld, I might bump it up to *****. (JOKING)

 

Bootlegs? As long as it is 1st or 2nd gen it is usually fine with me.

 

So, care to present an actual argument or just take shots at me?

[res37618 0]

**1/2

You're just a sad, jaded fan, aren't you? Whatever, I guess it had too much HHH in it, and the fact that it was viewed by a mainstream audience in a sold out arena rather than a shady convention center on a bootlegged video tape takes down it's quality...

ROTFL . . . thank you!

 

My sentiments exactly. Some people shit on the product simply because it's WWE, or because HHH is in it, or because it didn't come from Japan or the local national guard armory. I can agree with anyone who rated it four stars or higher (maybe even 3.5 stars, because it IS a subjective opinion to some degree) But 2.5 stars???

[Guest Random Hero]

The crowd wasn't THAT into it at all,  they barely reacted for HHH or HBK and Benoit certainly wasn't that over either, until the end.

Go back and watch it, the crowd was consistently chanting for Benoit. They even BOOED HBK when he ripped off the rolling Germans and chanted for BENOIT when Chris was laid out outside and HBK was making his comeback. The crowd was in love with him and the crowd reactions reached a fever pitch at the end when HHH tapped.

That's one problem right there. The fact they boo'd HBK spoilt the match for me. Because the way some sequences went it was obvious the crowd was expected to be behind HBK as well as Benoit....and when that turned out not to be the case, it seemed like they didnt change a thing. They still used HBK as a face and set up comebacks for him even though the crowd was clearly not interested in him one bit.

 

It's fair enough to say they were behind Benoit. But from what I remember there weren't any really overwhelming Benoit chants.

[Tawren 0]

**1/2

You're just a sad, jaded fan, aren't you? Whatever, I guess it had too much HHH in it, and the fact that it was viewed by a mainstream audience in a sold out arena rather than a shady convention center on a bootlegged video tape takes down it's quality...

ROTFL . . . thank you!

 

My sentiments exactly. Some people shit on the product simply because it's WWE, or because HHH is in it, or because it didn't come from Japan or the local national guard armory. I can agree with anyone who rated it four stars or higher (maybe even 3.5 stars, because it IS a subjective opinion to some degree) But 2.5 stars???

Can anybody explain WHY it's good, or are we just going to take shots at the guy who explained why he didn't like it?

 

Seriously.

[Guest Random Hero]

**1/2

You're just a sad, jaded fan, aren't you? Whatever, I guess it had too much HHH in it, and the fact that it was viewed by a mainstream audience in a sold out arena rather than a shady convention center on a bootlegged video tape takes down it's quality...

ROTFL . . . thank you!

 

My sentiments exactly. Some people shit on the product simply because it's WWE, or because HHH is in it, or because it didn't come from Japan or the local national guard armory. I can agree with anyone who rated it four stars or higher (maybe even 3.5 stars, because it IS a subjective opinion to some degree) But 2.5 stars???

Clearly I must be missing the Huge ROH banner in Tawren's sig.

 

That's the thing, surely because you dared not to like a match, you clearly must be an Indie sympathiser. Whether or not you've ever seen an Indie event in your life. Who gives a shit if HHH was in the match? Believe it or not there are some people who still watch matches objectively regardless or who's in them, and then rate in based on their enjoyment of said match. Imagine that.