Batista instead of Orton

[JoeDirt 0]

I was just watching the tape of tonight's RAW where HHH tells Batista that nothing good can come of him thinking, he's joking, lighten up, etc. My quesiton is this...if Batista turned face now, they canned the mega Orton push, and gave Batista the push towards a Wrestlemania main event with HHH, could he get over more than Orton would? I really think he could.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I was thinking Orton could book Batista vs HHH on his RAW being that he can't get the shot himself. That would line him up for a face turn.

 

I'm not for a Batista turn though. I like him as the quiet guy in Evolution that's the muscle and wears cool suits.

 

And HHH vs Batista just doesn't sound like a Wrestlemania headlining match.

[The Buzz 0]

Batista sounds more natural on the mic then Orton. They are pretty much even in what they can do in the ring, and Batista obviously has the better look. But even though I do hope in a year from now Batista will be headlining...I want a slow build to the moment when he snaps away from Evolution, which is why I like the current form, as he gets more microphone and segment time. He'll get there and he'll be ready when he does unlike Orton.

[jester 0]

Orton is only in the spot he is in now because WWE wanted him to be. So doing the same thing with someone else is entirely possible.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Batista has a better look than Orton, has more charisma than Orton, can arguably wrestle better than Orton, and is more over than Orton. Therefore the answer is yes.

[Promoter 0]

You know I was thinking maybe Batista would be better for the push myself, although it could just be the timing is better NOW then when they did it with Orton. I do remember a lot of people here saying that Orton should have broken away around Survivor Series. It could just be paced wrong and Batista teasing a break now is more acceptable.

[Guest Loss]

I think the Batista thing needs to slow burn until Wrestlemania. After the match, HHH can blame Batista for losing to Orton and get knocked cold for his troubles, leading to a feud to carry them into summer.

[Only The Strong Survive 0]

I don't know if I'd like to see Batista as a face, only because it could lead to him having the same problem as Randy Orton has: being bland and being a face for no real reason other than the fact that he gets abused by heels. Batista needs to make it clear that he isn't Triple H's lackey and is thankful for his assistance (in terms of being given a shot at satrdom), leading to Triple H being angry and saying that he got backstabbed, which would lead perfectly into a feud between the suffering stable leader and the man who's trying to break out from the shadow of Evolution.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I've always contended that Batista would be a better bet than Orton.

[humongous2002 0]

I'll put my money on Batista any day of the week than on Orton, Batista looks like a main eventer while Randy looks like he just graduated from Junior high.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Evolution had too many people in it before. Now that they have one less member it has given Batista more time on the mic and he's not just that other guy who's in the group with the World Champion, IC champion and Ric Flair. I think Orton not being in the group has been good for Batista.

[Guest Reservoir_Kitty]

I think it has a ton of potential to work. Batista is better on the mic, more charismatic, has a better look to him, and he has more of a presence. Orton's kinda dopey looking and not as intimidating when he tries to be - Batista on the other hand, wow. It'd be more feasible that he could intimidate ... well, everyone... without really having to strain or put forth a lot of effort. Orton really has to strain to sound real on the mic too, and that can get very grating to listen to.

 

I don't like the idea of Batista as a face, but I do like the idea of Batista being out on his own, away from Triple H and Evolution. I was actually irritated that Triple H was poking fun at Batista and was really behind him beating the shit out of Triple H. Batista as a face would be really blah unless they came up with a good concept for him, but I really wouldn't hold my breath for that.

 

Batista is one of my favorite wrestlers, so I'm behind anything that gets him more TV time and perhaps a World Title (hell, even Intercontinental Title) shot.

[haws bah gawd 0]

Batista has the look of a main eventer, unlike Orton who is just some random tall skinny guy. Ive found it very hard to buy Orton fighting against Evolution. I would have much rather seen Batista get Orton's title shot from Summerslam, then be broken away from Evolution, the same way they turned on Orton. Plus last week on RAW when HHH was talking to Batista about Snitzky and Edge using their weeks in control for a title show, HHH left the room, then Batista just looked in the general direction of the World Title, which was left in HHH's chair, and the crowd popped like mad. One would think WWE would catch onto this things. I know I, personally, would rather see WMXXI headlined by HHH vs Batista instead of Orton.

[Guest Coffey]

I'm a big fan of "Big Dave." I anticipate his break from Evolution as well. In fact, last night I was hoping he would hit the "Bizzle Bomb" on Triple H and leave right then. Of course, I'm a fan of slow build as well, so I wasn't too disappointed when it didn't happen.

 

It would've made sense though, after the backstage interaction between The Metrosexual Monster™ & The Game. I was hoping that Batista would take out Triple H and then say "you're right, nothing good can happen from me thinking."

 

I just can't get into Orton. Especially now that he's the defacto leader of a group of a bunch of people which I feel he is beneath (excluding Maven).

 

I'd also like to point out that Batista has more the one move established, unlike Randy Orton. Randy Orton has the RKO, and that's it. Batista has his Powerbomb and the Clothesline that has sidelined several people including Chris Jericho and Randy Orton himself. Of course, Orton came back out later in the night, but it put him out of action for well past three seconds. Long enough that if he wasn't on the outside of the ring, the match would've been over.

 

Batista reminds me of Kenta Kobashi in a weird way...only with less Moonsault and more English. If WWE were to build up Batista in a "never quit" type scenario, he could get over as a face. Think The Rock at Wrestlemania 17 or "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in his submission match with Bret Hart. Have Batista just keep coming. Have Benoit, or someone, lock him in the Crossface, or whatever move it happens to be...but have Batista just not give up. Pass out or something...like Scott Norton in WCW.

 

Then WWE could bill him as this incredibly powerful monster that also doesn't know when to quit. He'd be tough to overcome. Give him a LONG title reign with a single's belt...and push him with that gimmick. That could get him over as a face. Like Goldberg's WCW run but with more talent and less squashing. Almost like a Samoa Joe role.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

Why is everyone saying turn Dave face? All he needs to be turned into is a true tweener. When ever the next heel wins a title, send Big Dave in to take him on in a two/three PPV fued where he ends up finally winning it bringing the title to Evolution.

 

Tweeners are where the money is at, with a few exceptions. Orton was getting over as a good-at-playing bad guy type lackey, but then they tried to make him a full blown sympathetic character which didn't happen. They have the chance with Dave to keep building up this Flair-Dave fued, where it could solidify Big Dave as a major threat.

[geniusMoment 0]

If the big feud over the summer is HHH/Batista I will shoot myself. Hopefully by then TNA will have a prime time show and I will never have to watch WWE again for my wrestling fix.

[SamoaRowe 0]

::Imagines a Triple H/Batista match being the battle of the Main Event Sleeper vs the Surfboard Stretch::

 

[razazteca 0]

If the big feud over the summer is HHH/Batista I will shoot myself. Hopefully by then TNA will have a prime time show and I will never have to watch WWE again for my wrestling fix.

TNA is not much better with its big feud of the year being Nash, Hall, Jarret vs Hardy.

[Promoter 0]

I was thinking Orton could book Batista vs HHH on his RAW being that he can't get the shot himself. That would line him up for a face turn.

Okay, is it a long shot that Orton gives Flair his last title shot December 6 on raw in Charlotte? All I have to say is that would be probably the hottest pop we have seen all year if all the faces help Flair win the title for the last time. Batista and Orton helping him defeat HHH is a magical moment.

[clean rob 0]

That would be a nice twist, plus it would both tie in nicely with the interaction between Orton and Flair in the run-up to Taboo Tuesday, and keep the HHH/Orton feud ticking along nicely without yet another in-ring meeting between the two. I'm not sure I'd want to see Flair actually winning though.

 

Of course Orton will probably just book HHH in a bra and panties match to embarrass him, or something equally silly.

[Slayer 0]

Quite frankly I'm not sure why Vince chose Orton over Batista in the first place, if only for the fact Batista's got that size and look that Vince creams his pants over.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Maybe age had something to do with it? I believe Dave is currently 36, so you figure he was around 33/34 when he got called up to play Deacon Batista on SD. He'd be about 34/35 when he gets put in Evolution. I guess Vince didn't want to spend all the effort on a guy who's already in his mid-30's and (at the time) injury-prone, as opposed to a guy in his mid-20's (who was also injury-prone).

[Toxxic 0]

Don't turn Batista full face. In fact, you probably don't need to turn him at all. He gets a big reaction - and it's a face reaction - simply from turning up, posing, powerbombing, spinebustering and generally brutalising people. People love to see Big Dave take people out. So simply make him his own man and point him at heels as well as faces and I could see Big D Batista dressing sharp, looking over his sunglasses at people, cutting some pretty reasonable promos and generally smashing shit out of the Raw roster. The matches wouldn't be technical masterpieces but he'd LOOK unstoppable, and he is capable of exciting the live crowd.

[razazteca 0]

Paul Heyman needs to be Batista's manager.

[cabbageboy 0]

I think Edge right now has the Raw tweener spot all locked up, and as such is the most interesting guy on the roster. Finally a guy who doesn't give a shit about teaming with people (even his "brother"), regardless of heel/face distinction.

 

Big Dave certainly has more credibility in my book than Orton, and he's been a curious fave amongst net fans for a while now. Well maybe not a FAVORITE but most people on the net seem to like Batista better than most hoss guys.

 

I see some nice things on the Raw side of things for next year. Orton will likely win the title, and the Batista face turn sounds good. Put him vs. HHH and have Edge finally go after the title and you have some interesting stuff.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I've always liked Batista and he should have gotten Orton's push rather than being wasted being HHH's hired muscle for the past months. What has he accomplished since losing the tag titles? NOTHING.

 

Batista should have been pushed as RAW"s version of Brock Lesnar. A vicious monster almost every fan can enjoy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes. Do it.

 

And for those who are calling for a slow burn, remember the last "slow burn feud?"

 

The Eddie/Chavo thing that just went on and on and on and on for close to three months and stopped being entertaining after one?

[Guest fanofcoils]

Maybe age had something to do with it?  I believe Dave is currently 36, so you figure he was around 33/34 when he got called up to play Deacon Batista on SD.  He'd be about 34/35 when he gets put in Evolution.  I guess Vince didn't want to spend all the effort on a guy who's already in his mid-30's and (at the time) injury-prone, as opposed to a guy in his mid-20's (who was also injury-prone).

That is inaccurate, Dave Batista is 35, born January 18, 1969.

[CanadianChick 0]

I don't know if a face turn is really necessary. Can't he just break away from Evolution and not have the feud with Trips?

 

And no, I don't think Batista could be in Randy's spot, if for only one reason: it's hard to sympathize with a monster. Yes, there have been monster faces in the past, but as a top guy, like Orton is getting groomed to be? I find that tough to believe.

[Scroby 0]

I would rather have Batista in Orton's role at the moment. The only reason Orton really went face is cause all the girles were screaming for him. I think Batista could be more over than Orton if the role was done correctly with him and not Orton.