So Bonds admits to using steriods "Unknowingly"

[therealworldschampion 0]

Oh man I can't WAIT for PTI today and Wilbon trying to defend Bonds on this one....

[Vern Gagne 0]

Oh hi. Bud Selig says he wants to resolve the steroid issue in the next two months. Look for a solution by August 2006.

What about that snake Don Fehr? He's dragged his feet over the whole issue, and that won't change.

[jimmy no nose 0]

So basically Bonds is saying that while Anderson told Giambi (from Giambi's testimony) that "the Cream" and "the Clear" were undetectable steroids, he never told Barry? Yeah okay.

Sheffield said pretty much the same thing a while back in some articles. No one really noticed it though for some reason.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I can't stand hearing about "the cream and the clear" much longer.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Like I said before, if anyone actually thinks Bonds never used steroids, they should be kicked in the balls.

 

I still think he's holding out here. Iss everyone suppose to buy that he "didn't know" he was using a type of steroid? Sheffield said the same thing and I think he's full of it, so to avoid being a bias asshole, I think Bonds is full of it too. You just don't use things without knowing what the fuck it is.

 

If you do, you are a complete idiot who deserves getting whatever steroids does to your body over time of usage.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I rubbed some blue stuff on my balls this morning. Results to come soon.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

It wasn't against MLB rules at the time, so it's practically no different than if Bonds admitted he used extacy or something.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Maybe if he was on ecstasy, he would've been more apt to give all those reporters big loving hugs rather than be an asshole.

 

And maybe his bat would be a glow stick.

[geniusMoment 0]

It wasn't against MLB rules at the time, so it's practically no different than if Bonds admitted he used extacy or something.

Except that is was an illegal performance enhancing drug, ruining many of his stats.

The bottom line is this. If one is to believe Bonds, then you must think that Conte intentionally falsified documents in order to incriminate Bonds, despite the fact that these said documents would incriminate him, making him guilty of steriod distribution. Basically one is then saying Conte is willing to go to jail for years in order to make sure Bonds' records are tainted. Give me a break. Every bit of evidence states Bonds has been using steriods since before the 2001 season.

 

Anderson became Bonds trainer before the 2001 season.

Bonds told Sheffield just to take what Anderson gave him.

Sheffield, Marion Jones, Jason and Jeremy Giambi, and other athletes were all told or found out what they were taking.

Bonds was friends with the trainer for years, why would the trainer lie to him?

They have certified documents with Bonds' name on them, detailing cycles for HGH and other designer steriods dating back to prior to the 2001 season.

Bonds admitted to "unknowingly" put the cream and clear on his body, why would Conte not lie about that, but then lie about what else Bonds was using.

 

GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

[lomasmoney 0]

The fac that steroids are illegal means nothing. Did they take away all of Dwight Gooden strikeouts from the games where he was wired up on coke. The fact is Bonds didn't fail any drug tests for steroids that we know of so how can they strip him of any of his records

[Guest LooneyTune]

Tainted records, but they won't be taken away. "Yeah, he hit 760 (random #) home runs, but the guy was using steroids for the last 300 of them."

[Guest Brian]

I can understand that, for a certain point in time, that he didn't know what he was taking was what it was. I had a friend, who was drafted last year, but his nutritionist had him on andro for a couple months before I pointed out what he was taking. You trust those people with your health, and expect them to deliver.

[Guest Brian]

Anways, doesn't anyone here want to step off hanging Barry for a minute and think about whether MLB needs to shoulder some blame for all this mess (as in everyone) because of the relaxed drug policy and the amount of pub they harp on homeruns, given that we use the same standard to judge Vince?

[Big McLargeHuge 0]

This has always been about Bonds. They could dismiss the case altogether and I'd imagine no one really caring. They got what they wanted.

[A Happy Medium 0]

You know....athletes these days are so in tune with their bodies that they know every single element entering their body.

 

I guess the question is...would you believe that a fitness freak like Barry Bonds would not question this mystery "cream and clear" shit that he put into his body?

 

He knew.

[MrRant 0]

I rubbed some blue stuff on my balls this morning. Results to come soon.

Edge Pro Gel won't do anything unless you use a razor.

[Precious Roy 0]

Anways, doesn't anyone here want to step off hanging Barry for a minute and think about whether MLB needs to shoulder some blame for all this mess (as in everyone) because of the relaxed drug policy and the amount of pub they harp on homeruns, given that we use the same standard to judge Vince?

Yeah, which is why in the end I really don't care. They let it happen, it tarnishes the cherished records of the past, move on. He's still out there doing that shit and you can't even pretend like the entire lanscape of the game doesn't dictate it. Everyone is looking for an edge. Honestly, it will always be legalized in some form.

[Slayer 0]

Caption Contest Time:

 

[The Czech Republic 0]

"So are these balls supposed to be tighter now?"

"I dunno man, I wanna know if these balls are supposed to be smaller now."

"Hmm. Good question."

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

"Damn laundry staff. They must have put our hats in the dryer too long because mine doesn't fit. What about yours?..."

[cabbageboy 0]

I actually believed Sheffield since he was upfront about it in the media. Also, I put myself in his shoes. If someone handed me a cream would I figure it was a steroid or illegal in some way? Not really. Now if someone handed me a needle...

 

Anyway I don't think this will end up amounting to a hill of beans. Bonds will still break the records, he'll still go to the Hall. The guy whose career is essentially over is Giambi...by being the most honest he essentially committed career suicide.

[Guest Brian]

I guess the question is...would you believe that a fitness freak like Barry Bonds would not question this mystery "cream and clear" shit that he put into his body?

I do. Because I know trainers and competitive lifters who do it all the time. Guys who hear about the clear, not knowing what it was (mind you, this was years ago), and were taking it orally. It's actually pretty funny because they use a syringe-like injector (sans needle) to put it in their mouth, and yet they still don't put things together.

 

And when somethings relatively new and unknown, it only adds to the fact that you're going to push the envelope and get an edge. Especially if the person who's on top of these things, someone you trust, is misleading you.

[The Czech Republic 0]

The guy whose career is essentially over is Giambi...by being the most honest he essentially committed career suicide.

He can move to endorsements...

 

 

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

If you would take a drug without knowing what it is, you are an irresponsible fool. How could you take an unknown substance that has steroid-like effects and not ask questions?

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Edit: wrong thread.

[Dangerous A 0]

This is a witch hunt for Bonds. Don't get me wrong, I believe Bonds knew exactly what he was doing, but IMO so did the others. We all know Giambi admitted. Sheffield pulled the "I didn't know" card (yeah fucking right)

 

If we are going to * Bonds records, we should go ahead and do it with McGwire and Sosa as well. You are high if you think those 2 were not on stuff stronger than andro and creatine, especially McGwire.

[Bored 0]

But unlike Bonds they weren't tied to a company who distributed steroids.

 

I personally don't think an asterisk is needed. People can make up their own minds on the legitimacy of the 73 homeruns. I do believe Bonds needs to retire as it's the only thing he can do to save face. Can you imagine the fiasco that will be him going for Aaron's record in April of 2006? The entire focus will be on steroids and how the record will be tainted. It will be a p.r. nightmare for MLB.

[Star Ocean 3 0]

Max Kellerman, on his hit show, "I,Max" pointed out that Babe Ruth used a corked bat. Cheating is baseball is nothing new, so singling out Bonds isn't right. And even before he used steroids he was still ahead of the other players, including McGwire and Sosa, until they started using performance enhancers.

 

"I,Max" at 6 pm and late night, only on Fox Sports Net.

[Guest Catcher8C]

Oh, and for anyone who still had any doubt, consider the fact that Bonds had hired a nutritionist to supply him with flaxseed oil. Flaxseed oil is sold in pharmacys and drug stores just about everywhere, but Bonds was paying this guy thousands of dollars to make it personally, for him? Also, why would Barry reccommend the stuff to other ballplayers. "Hey, man, this guy makes the best flaxseed oil and rubbing balm for arthritis."

 

 

Yeah, fucking right.

[Guest Brian]

Actually, I don't believe he was paying his trainer in anything other than gifts, since he was a very good friend of his (I've seen it reported as a childhood friends by the AP). I think at that point this guy was also handling all of Barry's routine, including workouts and supplements, not just flax-seed oil.