What Bands

[The Czech Republic]

So did Incandenza ignore everybody who agreed that Weezer was nothing special or something?

[Giuseppe Zangara]

Quoting the lyrics to a song doesn't make a very sound argument against a band's worth.

[Corey_Lazarus]

Especially when it's a fun pop/rock song that has THE FONZ in the video. You don't fuck with The Fonz, man.

[Giuseppe Zangara]

And people bashing a good album while praising Alice in Chains lets me know that this person can be safely ignored on anything related to music.

[cabbageboy]

Buddy Holly is a fun little song with a great video...take away the video and the song doesn't have quite the same impact.

 

I never said Weezer was a bad band, but they're hardly an all time classic band. I even have most of their CDs aside from the new one, but when I go back and listen it's just not the sort of timeless stuff that works years later.

 

How much older Weezer stuff still gets played? I might hear Buddy Holly every now and then on the radio. But Longview, Come Out and Play, etc.? Still played often, still fresh and enjoyable.

[snuffbox]

The Sweater Song still gets some radio play. I also thought that the Green Album was decent (Hash Pipe, Islands in the Sun, etc). But Im still a bit puzzled as to why Rivers hasnt done something better with his huge obsession with creating 'perfect pop songs'.

 

Fun lil pop rock like Buddy Holly isnt nearly 'perfect pop' like Green Day, Brian Wilson, Beatles, Oasis etc. (And these examples of 'perfect pop' are Rivers' not mine. Though I cant really argue against him when those artists were at their best.

[Edwin MacPhisto]

Weezer's first album is fantastic. Every song is loaded with great hooks, and the songs are specific, clever without being obnoxious, and exuberant. I wish they still put out songs like that. I'll take them all the way through the second self-titled, which is about half great songs and half okay.

 

What radio play a song gets years after its release is almost as uninteresting a measure of supposed quality as printing a chunk of lyrics.

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Edwin beat me to it. Figures when I only checked the topic because he posted in it.

[Edwin MacPhisto]

[CanadianGuitarist]

Buddy Holly is a fun little song with a great video...take away the video and the song doesn't have quite the same impact.

 

I never said Weezer was a bad band, but they're hardly an all time classic band.  I even have most of their CDs aside from the new one, but when I go back and listen it's just not the sort of timeless stuff that works years later. 

 

How much older Weezer stuff still gets played?  I might hear Buddy Holly every now and then on the radio.  But Longview, Come Out and Play, etc.?  Still played often, still fresh and enjoyable.

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You don't think Longview, Buddy Holly and Come out and Play are all by the same band, do you?

[Guest viewaskew142]

I thought Ben Folds Five had potential for another really good album.  Then again, for the most part, Ben Folds solo career has paled in comparison to his career with the Five and he was the band's principle songwriter and vocalist.

 

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I would mostly agree with that. Reinhold Messner was an incredible album, in my opinion. They had major potential for at least a few more great records, which sadly we may never see(or hear).

 

Although Ben may have been the principle songwriter and vocalist for the group, Darren and Robert added alot to the Five, vocally and musically. Ben Folds on his own has a bit of a different style, especially with his latest album. More ballads, less sarcasm and humor.

[B. Brian Brunzell]

I guess since Jeff Buckley died after only one full album and a few tracks recorded for a follow-up, he counts.

[snuffbox]

I shudder to think what Nick Drake might have done had he survived depression...

[Darthtiki]

Even though I am an enormous fan of theirs, I'd have to say Garbage. The first two albums were solid. However by the time the third one was released they had changed labels (to a label that didn't know what to do with them) and secondly the album hit the street within a few weeks of 9/11 which hurt sales. My personal opinion.

 

Also, Sublime and Save Ferris is a great example.

[snuffbox]

Even though I am an enormous fan of theirs, I'd have to say Garbage.  The first two albums were solid.  However by the time the third one was released they had changed labels (to a label that didn't know what to do with them) and secondly the album hit the street within a few weeks of 9/11 which hurt sales.  My personal opinion.

 

Also, Sublime and Save Ferris is a great example.

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The new Garbage is damn good.

 

Ill second the Sublime though.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I can't hate Sublime enough.

[Guest Crimson Idol]

Anthrax

Exodus

[Slayer]

Bad lyrics aren't an argument against a band? Fuck that

[snuffbox]

I can't hate Sublime enough.

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Thats a new one...

[CanadianGuitarist]

I can't hate Sublime enough.

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Thats a new one...

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Everyone likes them. EVERYONE!

 

As such, it's tough to listen to, he's got a point.

 

I'm not one of these 'If the mainstream hates it, I love it' poseurs, but sometimes it's frustrating when everyone in the free world can sing Wrong Way ad nauseum.

[Black Lushus]

I hadn't listened to 40Oz. To Freedom in a long time (that's the name of their main, most popular album, correct?), so I decided to pop it in and give it a play...I found my self skipping numerous tracks and pretty much listening to everything mainstream...to me, this band is sorta overrated...

[Darthtiki]

The new Garbage is damn good.

 

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Damn skippy, just wish it'd get more airplay here.

[swan]

Stuck Mojo broke up before they could ever try something new with the rapcore genre. Personally, I felt that their masterpiece was Rising, but Declaration of a Headhunter was damn fine, and showed a bit of growth when it came to Rich Ward writing the music. More melodic than the other albums, though not as groove-filled.

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Haven't you heard, they are back together and playing shows. They just finished touring Europe and a new album is rumored:

 

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermo...ewsitemID=37277

 

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermo...ewsitemID=37314

[Corey_Lazarus]

I feel dirty...Roadrunner?! God, I hope not...how many bands have signed to Roadrunner and been completely fucked up the arse by Robinson? Oh...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM? Gah...

 

Rich, Bonz, Bud...come home to Century Media. PLEASE.

[gWIL]

The new Garbage is damn good.

 

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Damn skippy, just wish it'd get more airplay here.

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I haven't heard it on the radio, here in Indiana once. It is a good album though, not as good as 2.0 but good.

[swan]

I feel dirty...Roadrunner?! God, I hope not...how many bands have signed to Roadrunner and been completely fucked up the arse by Robinson? Oh...EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM? Gah...

 

Rich, Bonz, Bud...come home to Century Media. PLEASE.

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Umm, nope. Blabbermouth is hosted by Roadrunner. Spitfire will release the new album. Read the links.

[The Czech Republic]

Weezer's first album is fantastic.  Every song is loaded with great hooks, and the songs are specific, clever without being obnoxious, and exuberant.  I wish they still put out songs like that.  I'll take them all the way through the second self-titled, which is about half great songs and half okay.

 

What radio play a song gets years after its release is almost as uninteresting a measure of supposed quality as printing a chunk of lyrics.

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So bad lyrics aren't enough to measure a song's quality? What sort of hoops must one jump through, then. I mean, shitty lyrics are hard to look beyond. They're sort of front and center, unless you're My BLoody Valentine.

[Edwin MacPhisto]

You can measure a song's quality--or at least some component of it--by lyrics, but keep context in mind. Why would you criticize the largely nonsensical lyrics on "Buddy Holly" when you've got a fat stack of power chords, tons of little hooks in the background, and fantastic fucking handclaps all throughout? That many melodies crammed into 2:40 is pretty impressive. "Oo ee oo" isn't really the point and I don't think it detracts from the song. It's also not a terribly representative example of the approach to lyrics throughout the album, which, on nearly every other song, are much more evocative.

 

Weezer was at their best when they were having fun. "Only in Dreams," or at least the first half of it, is the least impressive song on their first album just because it's so serious-schmaltzy.

[cabbageboy]

Yeah but you overstate the actual hooks on Weezer's debut. They flat out aren't that great, Buddy Holly aside. No One Else? Decent little song, but nothing I'd write home about. My Name is Jonas? It's ok, I can listen to it every now and then, but nothing to send to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's a nice album, but when you only have 10 songs they better all be great and there's some uninspired stuff on it.

[Edwin MacPhisto]

No, they're actually pretty marvelous. I'd even put "Buddy Holly" on the bottom half of the album pretty comfortably, and I love that song. I'd go into more detail but it's not worth it at this point.