400-lb man dies after fight with Cincy cops

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

So there I was in my living room minding my own business with everyone's favorite cable news channel on in the background when suddenly I hear about this 400-lb black guy dying after a brawl with several Cincinnati po-pos.

 

Now besides the obvious question, which is why couldn't the Cincinnati police simply shoot this 400-lb man in the foot with a stun gun (or elephant tranquilizer), I'm curious to know if the Rev. Lynch-pin has already gathered up his Lynch-mob in "protest" to this action -- can anyone from the area (Swift Terror, Side FX, Choken) give a bit more detail regarding this story?

 

Are we looking at Tim Thomas the Sequel?...

 

Story

 

A 41-year-old man died after a violent struggle Sunday morning with Cincinnati police officers outside a North Avondale fast-food restaurant.

 

The fight, which included the nearly 400-pound man hitting officers and police repeatedly striking him with nightsticks, was caught on tape from a camera in an officer's patrol car.

 

Within minutes of the struggle ending, Nathaniel Jones was dead.

 

The six officers involved were placed on administrative leave while several agencies, including police homicide and internal affairs units, the Citizen Complaint Authority and the Hamilton County Coroner's Office investigate.

 

Assistant Police Chief Richard Janke said the police video shows that the officers followed their training and were justified in using force to subdue Jones.

 

But Roger Webster, Fraternal Order of Police president, said that after the incident the officers were treated like suspects. He said they were questioned for hours, read their legal rights and only allowed one phone call.

 

"My question to the police administration is, what criminal act are you investigating? You are accusing these cops of being criminals," Webster said angrily outside police headquarters. "That is why they don't want to work, because they are treated worse than the criminals they arrest."

 

In June, the Citizen Complaint Authority cleared a police officer of any wrongdoing in the Feb. 9 shooting death of a burglary suspect in Northside.

 

Of the officers involved Sunday, authorities identified the two who responded first: Baron Osterman, who has one year on the force, and James Pike, a seven-year veteran.

 

Police officials, radio transmissions and the video give a picture of how the circumstances unfolded at the White Castle at 64 W. Mitchell Ave., just west of Vine Street.

 

About 5:50 a.m. a White Castle employee called 911 to report that a man had passed out in the grass outside the restaurant.

 

"He's breathing, but he keeps hollering 19," she told the call taker.

 

When emergency medical personnel arrived, Jones was awake and "becoming a nuisance" at the restaurant, according to a tape of radio transmissions in which firefighters ask police to respond.

 

In the video, Jones walks toward an officer, who yells, "Stay back."

 

Jones then lunged, swinging at the officer's head before he stumbled into the officer, taking him down.

 

The two officers, Osterman and Pike, jabbed Jones in the torso with nightsticks as they repeatedly yelled, "Put your hands behind your back."

 

But Jones continued to fight, flailing his arms and grabbing one of the police batons. The officers called for backup, asking especially for someone with a stun gun. Eventually, six officers responded, many of them also using their batons to strike Jones. After a struggle with all six, they got Jones on his stomach and his arms behind his back.

 

The officers turned Jones over after he was handcuffed over and realized he needed medical help, Janke said.

 

"He looked to be in enough distress that the officers immediately called for a fire company," Janke said.

 

Jones had a pulse when EMS arrived, but he died within minutes of arriving at University Hospital, Janke said.

 

Why Jones behaved as he did is not yet known, Janke said.

 

During the struggle, officers tried to call for an officer trained to deal with people with mental health problems, but the officer was on another call.

 

Police did not use a stun gun, but did use chemical spray in addition to the batons. Janke did not know how many of the officers hit Jones.

 

Police estimate that Jones, who was 5 foot 6 inches tall, weighed 400 pounds. They did not release a current address for Jones.

 

According to court records, Jones pleaded guilty in 1998 to possessing cocaine and was given three years probation, which included inpatient treatment at Talbert House. A month after his sentencing, Jones violated his probation and was sentenced to a year in jail, records show.

[Swift Terror 0]

Well, I live in Cincinnati and this is being discussed on radio here. Not surprisingly, the national media is simply reporting this incident as "police kill black man." Obviously they're to lazy to get the entire story. In addition, they are showing a tiny portion of the video, leaving out most of what happened, you know, important things like the guy charging the police.

 

As I speak, Roger Webster is on a radio show...

 

updates to follow...

[Downhome 0]

Here we go, it's time for the NAACP or some other fucking group to take up for the dumb ass who put himself in the situation.

 

They told him to stay back, he charged taking one down, they tried to take him down to cuff him, he was fighting the cops the entire time...they had no choice but to beat the shit out of him if he is going to act like that.

 

Have you watched the video of it? I didn't see anything at all the least bit questionable on the tape. I mean, the guy just wouldn't stop fighting them, they had to do what they HAD to do to gain control of the criminal.

[Downhome 0]

Well, I live in Cincinnati and this is being discussed on radio here. Not surprisingly, the national media is simply reporting this incident as "police kill black man." Obviously they're to lazy to get the entire story. In addition, they are showing a tiny portion of the video, leaving out most of what happened, you know, important things like the guy charging the police.

 

As I speak, Roger Webster is on a radio show...

 

updates to follow...

Fox News aired the entire video, or at least most of it, as it showed the cops showing up, his charging and hitting them and knocking them down, and then the cops doing what they had to do to keep the man beast down.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Fox News aired the entire video, or at least most of it, as it showed the cops showing up, his charging and hitting them and knocking them down, and then the cops doing what they had to do to keep the man beast down.

That's what I saw, too.

 

You'd think the po-po's took his Quarter pounder with cheese or something...

[Downhome 0]

Fox News aired the entire video, or at least most of it, as it showed the cops showing up, his charging and hitting them and knocking them down, and then the cops doing what they had to do to keep the man beast down.

That's what I saw, too.

 

You'd think the po-po's took his Quarter pounder with cheese or something...

I hope to GOD they say he was just drunk, just so I can laugh at those groups who take up for the dumb ass can try to use that as some sort of defense.

 

I love when people try to do that...it makes ME want to beat the shit out of them even more so.

[Nevermortal 0]

Hahaha... Nathaniel Jones.

[Swift Terror 0]

At least Fox News is showing the entire clip, which apparently the 'Today Show' is incapable of doing.

 

There is going to be a protest rally this afternoon by the usual suspects here.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Let me guess -- at Fountain Square...

[Swift Terror 0]

Let me guess -- at Fountain Square...

 

Most certainly.

 

It sure as hell won't be in Hyde Park--not that the wealthy white liberals in that neighborhood don't agree with the protestors--they just don't want that 'element' in their backyard.

 

BTW, a local talk show host (Bill Cunningham) will be on Hannity and Colmes tonight, as well as whatever show is on MSNBC.

[Guest Ghettoman]

I think it's not right to speculate either way until cause of death is revealed, but this always cracks me up....

 

"My question to the police administration is, what criminal act are you investigating? You are accusing these cops of being criminals," Webster said angrily outside police headquarters. "That is why they don't want to work, because they are treated worse than the criminals they arrest."

 

I can't help but picture some white hick saying "well if we can't beat dem niggers whats da point!?".....

[Youth N Asia 0]

Now Jesse Jackson has something new to bitch about

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway? I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment, what little there is.

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

[Downhome 0]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway? I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment, what little there is.

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

I sincerely hope you are joking.

[Dr. Tom 0]

I fought the law and the law won...

I fought the law and the law won...

[bob_barron 0]

What is statements that you will never hear?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway?

Because if the words "African-American" and "PO-lice" are in the same sentence when talking about a story that takes place in Cincinnati, the Rev. Lynch-pin will undoubtedly be there with his lackeys.

 

I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment

 

Don't blame me -- blame the fatty that got himself killed. (And just to nip this in the bud, if the person dead was a hillbilly from Middletown I'd say the same thing.)

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

 

Come on out DH, you'll be among your RACIST friends. Like me...

Edited December 1, 2003 by kkktookmybabyaway

[tpww7 0]

Oh god..I thought it said NATHAN JONES.

[Guest Cerebus]

Anyone know why the police that showed up didn't have/didn't use a stun gun?

[MrRant 0]

Well it's obvious YOU'RE a RACIST. After all you have KKK in your name and you want to FRY a BLACK man.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Preliminary coroner's report is in.

 

This is an exact transcript of a news release sent by Hamilton County Coroner Carl Parrott's office:

 

(Cincinnati, OH, December 1, 2003) An autopsy was performed upon the body of Nathaniel Jones, on Sunday, November 30, 2003 at the Hamilton County Coroner's Office.

 

Mr. Jones, who was 5 feet 9 inches tall and weighed nearly 350 pounds, had a markedly enlarged heart, consistent with hypertensive heart disease. He had linear bruises on his right calf, right thigh, right buttock and right flank, but there was no evidence of transmission of force to internal organs.

 

Drug and other laboratory testing is in progress.

 

An opinion as to cause of death will be forthcoming when toxicology results and other investigative material, including reports of medical responders and the videotape of the arrest, have been reviewed.

 

Got it here.

 

I'd reserve judgment until a more detailed report is completed. If it's found that he died from internal bleeding or hemmorrhaging or whatever after being subdued, a direct cause of the actions taken by the police officers, then they ought to at least investigate these officers for excessive force. Not to say they weren't justified in clubbing down a 350-pound man who was very clearly ready to fight back, but it IS part of their job to arrest people without fatally wounding them.

 

Now, if he and his enlarged heart ended up having a heart attack in the course of the engagement, then of course you can't place blame on the officers. They obviously don't head into a situation with a complete medical history laid out in front of them.

 

Also, FBP unleashed the ultimate diss right there. Broke. Like a. Joke.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway? I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment, what little there is.

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

I sincerely hope you are joking.

Nope, I'm not joking. You go out of your way to basically say, "Fuck the NAACP and the black leaders!" Hey, guess what? I'm not exactly fond of these people either, and I'm balck, but I don't go out of my way to talk shit about them. Who cares about them? They are basically harmless media whores. They are good at making themselves look stupid. When you make your ignorant statements DH, you just add feul to the fire. You're dragging yourself down to their level. You're just as bad as "whitey hating" black people.

[Downhome 0]

Just wonderful.

[Guest Cerebus]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway? I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment, what little there is.

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

I sincerely hope you are joking.

Nope, I'm not joking. You go out of your way to basically say, "Fuck the NAACP and the black leaders!" Hey, guess what? I'm not exactly fond of these people either, and I'm balck, but I don't go out of my way to talk shit about them. Who cares about them? They are basically harmless media whores. They are good at making themselves look stupid. When you make your ignorant statements DH, you just add feul to the fire. You're dragging yourself down to their level. You're just as bad as "whitey hating" black people.

Ok this confuses me. You don't like the NAACP yet you think its racist for DH to hate them because he's white? Or because, by openly hating them, he gives Sharpton more "fuel" to power his propoganda machine?

[Downhome 0]

I'll say fuck you to the NAACP, all of those fucking twat "black leaders" who CLAIM they are doing something for African Americans when in reality most of them are doing what they do ONLY to gain more and more power, money, and cultural influence.

 

It's not the NAACP I'm after either, I'll say FUCK YOU to ANY racial group who does the same bullshit that they take part in. Have it be a black, asian, mexican, WHITE, or whatever kind of group you can think of.

 

I'm for the advancement of ALL people...I'm not for taking up for bastards who claim to do good, when they really do more harm than anything else.

 

I'm the LEAST racist person you'll ever meet, I know and am friends with, and have dated and been in relationships with people of various races. I could give a shit and a piss about what race someone is. What matters to me is how people present themself and what they stand for.

 

By the way, I know that not ALL members of the NAACP are bad, I know that not all "black leaders" (I'll never get that btw) are bad, and so on and so on. It's just how many of the top guys present their case, what they say, what they do...it sours me on the groups overall as a whole.

[1234-5678 0]

Bottom line, this guy attacked police officers, and they responded with the right amount of force, being that he just kept at it. Good rittens to bad rubbish. You're not getting any sympathy from me tubby.

[NoCalMike 0]

what exactly sparked the attack on the officers? I mean what was this idiot thinking?

[Guest BDC]

Waiting to see if there were any substances in his system, m'self.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

The "black leaders" (who said they should be in charge?) are just ghetto versions of Bill O'Reilly. Except instead of claiming to help downtrodden populist Republicans by bitching people out on TV, the "leaders" claim to help downtrodden black folk by calling other people racist.

 

Neither one is particularly helpful to the group they claim to serve.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

How do you even know the Reverand's are going to get involved anyway? I wish KKK didn't even bring it up, because then you have closet racists like DH who are just waiting in the wings to say something negative about black people or the black establishment, what little there is.

 

Come out of the closet DH, we don't like cowards!

I sincerely hope you are joking.

Nope, I'm not joking. You go out of your way to basically say, "Fuck the NAACP and the black leaders!" Hey, guess what? I'm not exactly fond of these people either, and I'm balck, but I don't go out of my way to talk shit about them. Who cares about them? They are basically harmless media whores. They are good at making themselves look stupid. When you make your ignorant statements DH, you just add feul to the fire. You're dragging yourself down to their level. You're just as bad as "whitey hating" black people.

Ok this confuses me. You don't like the NAACP yet you think its racist for DH to hate them because he's white? Or because, by openly hating them, he gives Sharpton more "fuel" to power his propoganda machine?

There's a certain way to handle things, for one thing. Okay, you don't like the outdated and media whorish views of Sharpton and the NAACP, that is fine and dandy. However, when you flat out say, "Fuck the NAACP and BLACK Leaders," you sound like a racist if you're white, an "Uncle Tom" if you're black. Couple that to the fact that DH once applauded TheMikeSC on his borderline racist comments by saying, "Thank you! That's what I've alwyas been wanting to say." It makes DH look like a cowardly racist. If you're going to harbor such views, don't hide it, and badly at that, just let it be. It's pretty much akin to black people saying, "I hate white politicians and cops."