B. Brian Brunzell Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 For years, I was under the impression that either "Come On Eileen" o "Purple Rain" was the greatest pop song of all-time, and the perfect pop song. To have a great pop song, you need several things: a catchy hook, a catchy verse, and just the right amount of cheese in the music to get the kids going. Now, that being said, I have come to a new conclusion: "Just Like Heaven" is the perfect pop song. The hook is wonderful, as are the verses, and there is just a slight amount of cheesiness in that song that puts it over-the-top. Of course, Smith's lyrics are FAR superior to those of your typical pop star, but then again, Robert Smith writes better lyrics than most songwriters period. So anyway, what are your opinions on the subject? --Brunzell
Giuseppe Zangara Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 The dBs - Black and White Wire - Map Ref. 41 Degrees North 93 Degrees West Hüsker Dü - I Apologize
Henry Spencer Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 I carried the opinion that Here Comes Your Man by The Pixies was the perfect pop song for quite a while. Now I'm not sure.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 The three I listed are all better than that song.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Erm... how is "Purple Rain" a 'pop' song?
Giuseppe Zangara Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Erm... how is "Purple Rain" a 'pop' song? Anything with the verse-chorus-verse structure can be classified as a pop song, but really, "Purple Rain" is a ballad.
Guest Flyboy Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Erm... how is "Purple Rain" a 'pop' song? Anything with the verse-chorus-verse structure can be classified as a pop song Blasphemy.
Henry Spencer Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 It is not blasphemy. People are under the impression that pop music means only stuff like Brittney Spears, N'Sync, Madonna, etc., but Inc's definition is exactly right.
starvenger Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 My current "Perfect" pop song is "Dancing In The Moonlight" by Toploader. Take 1 Van Morrison song, BritPop it up and there you go.
Black Lushus Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Dirty Pop-NSync, i actually liked this song...eat a dick, haters...
DCMaximo Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 "You're In A Bad Way" by St Etienne is a near-perfect pop song, as is "Something For The Weekend" by the Super Furry Animals. Hell, now I think about it, so is "Something For The Weekend" by the Divine Comedy.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Also, anything played on commercial radio is a "pop" song, be it Justin Timberlake or Limp Bizkit or whatever. Pop music has a very wide scope.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Pop Music should be popular, doesn't that eliminate Husker Du? Oh and I say it's "Maybe I'm Amazed" or "Hey Jude" great songs with lots of mass appeal.
Giuseppe Zangara Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Are you this retarded in the wrestling folders, too? As has been discussed, pop music doesn't have to be all over MTV. It describes a certain sound; melody, hooks and the like play a part.
Slayer Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Are you this retarded in the wrestling folders, too? Not anymore, haha. On topic: Just about anything from Asia's first two albums.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 What a hard topic. And a good way to start - "Just Like Heaven" is a fine choice. The Cure are fine for angst, but their poppiest stuff is really outstanding. Sticking to the zippier side of things, my personal choice: New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle."
Guest PlatinumBoy Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 For me the perfect pop song would be any of Neil Diamond's classics. Thank the Lord for the Nighttime is one I'm currently quite taken with.
DCMaximo Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Or "Crazy For You" by Let Loose, now THAT is the perfect pop song.
Corey_Lazarus Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 SCATMAAAAAAAAN!!!!! Also, I'd challenge Inc's definition of pop music. In my opinion, pop music has changed from music that was popular to music that has been designed to be as popular as possible. With the inventions of rock n' roll and rap music, I feel that definition (music designed to popular) works best. It still encompasses many of the same songs you were thinking of, Inc, but does take out "artsy" music and music done by artists who just want to write the song.
Steviekick Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 The Misfits' "Saturday Night" would have been classic pop in the 50s. I'd go with the Ramones' "I Wanna Be Sedated". Simple and catchy musically, easy chorus, and not too long.
Kinetic Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 "Kiss" is really a better example of a great poppy Prince song than "Purple Rain." This is the sort of topic on which I'll change my mind over and over again, but I'll go ahead and say The Smiths' "This Charming Man" or the Kinks' "Victoria."
k thx Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 I'll go ahead and say The Smiths' "This Charming Man" A song about a gay sex with an older man isn't strictly pop, is it?
Kinetic Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 I'll go ahead and say The Smiths' "This Charming Man" A song about a gay sex with an older man isn't strictly pop, is it? It's catchy as fuck. What it's about is immaterial, as far as the pop argument is concerned. That it's about gay sex with an older man makes it all the more likable.
k thx Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Surely in pop, the lyrical content is as important as the tune. Sure, it's catchy as fuck, but a song so blatantly about buggery can't be populist.
Red Baron Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen. Its a great song to sing too, catchy hooks, a head bangin guitar solo, its got everything a song should have.
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