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[Dark Age 0]

Somebody tell me what's so special about Trips. This isn't no blind HHHate. I don't like the Undertaker, but I can recognise when he has a good match. Triple H is solid. Pretty good at best. He can have good matches, with good wrestlers. He's put in some very good performances. But he's hardly great. I have a hard time calling him good. All of his "classics" tend to be overrated as Hell. Austin at NWO01? Good match, but ***** MOTY? No fuckin' way. I'm being kind here. There are some people who shit all over that match. Shawn Michaels on Raw 12/03? Pretty good, but the classic everyone pimped it as? Not. Even. Close. There are MAYBE two Trips matches I would consider great. Jericho LMS at FL00, and Cactus at RR00 (and, again, I'm being kind. Some people HATE this match). He is NOT a great wrestler. Rock was better than him. Austin was better than him. Taker CAN be better than him. Angle, despite the current backlash against him, was, and still is, better than him. Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, Rey... they are all better than Triple H. BY FAR.

 

Coffey, once again I ask, WHY is Triple H one of the best wrestlers on Raw? What makes him so special? He's got a bad moveset, he's a decent seller/bumper, his timing is hardly great, he's got pretty much no in-ring charisma, he uses all the shortcuts in the book. Trips' shortcoming is the fact that he BELIEVES he's a great wrestler when, honestly, he isn't. Like, last year, he was trying to book himself in a classic with Benoit. It failed. Vengeance sucked, really hard, and the iron man match was all Benoit bumping. Benoit dragged better stuff out of Orton and Kane.

 

On Raw, Angle, Jericho, Shawn, Tajiri, Regal and Venis were/are all better than him. At the moment, Shelton, Conway and Big Show are all out-working him. HE ISN'T A GREAT WRESTLER, and as soon as people realise this, we would all be better off. Is he bad? No, not really. Is he perfectly ok? Yeah, sure. Great? Nope, sorry.

 

Angle-Plex, like I said, Val Venis is never on Raw, and when he is he's getting squashed, so you don't get the opportunity to see him have a good match. If you watch Heat, you'll have seen him face Orton in two of the best matches of his (Orton's) short career. The tag match that I mentioned is one of the best WWE tags of the past few years. He had a damn solid run with GARRISON CADE last year, and I'd venture to say that very few others could get so much out of Cade.

 

Zyn, you're nuts if you think Triple H was better than Rock and Austin.

[Precious Roy 0]

Which chick does that stupid dance? Candice? She's gone.

Ivory & Victoria? Tough break.

Sylvain Grenier? Useless.

Todd Grisham

Steve Romero

Kenzo

[tekcop 0]

First of all, fuck HHHate and fuck everyone that says it's the only reason people call HHH a bad worker.

 

 

Somebody tell me what's so special about Trips. This isn't no blind HHHate. I don't like the Undertaker, but I can recognise when he has a good match. Triple H is solid. Pretty good at best. He can have good matches, with good wrestlers. He's put in some very good performances. But he's hardly great. I have a hard time calling him good. All of his "classics" tend to be overrated as Hell. Austin at NWO01? Good match, but ***** MOTY? No fuckin' way. I'm being kind here. There are some people who shit all over that match. Shawn Michaels on Raw 12/03? Pretty good, but the classic everyone pimped it as? Not. Even. Close. There are MAYBE two Trips matches I would consider great. Jericho LMS at FL00, and Cactus at RR00 (and, again, I'm being kind. Some people HATE this match). He is NOT a great wrestler. Rock was better than him. Austin was better than him. Taker CAN be better than him. Angle, despite the current backlash against him, was, and still is, better than him. Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, Rey... they are all better than Triple H. BY FAR.

First, Undertaker is so much better than HHH. Secondly, his match with Benoit at whatever PPV in '01 was probably his greatest match ever.

 

Everything else I agree with.

Coffey, once again I ask, WHY is Triple H one of the best wrestlers on Raw? What makes him so special? He's got a bad moveset, he's a decent seller/bumper, his timing is hardly great, he's got pretty much no in-ring charisma, he uses all the shortcuts in the book. Trips' shortcoming is the fact that he BELIEVES he's a great wrestler when, honestly, he isn't. Like, last year, he was trying to book himself in a classic with Benoit. It failed. Vengeance sucked, really hard, and the iron man match was all Benoit bumping. Benoit dragged better stuff out of Orton and Kane.

I've always wondered about the HHH love, too. The Benoit stuff was just sad. The iron man match was painful to watch. Benoit killed himself for HHH's benefit.

 

On Raw, Angle, Jericho, Shawn, Tajiri, Regal and Venis were/are all better than him. At the moment, Shelton, Conway and Big Show are all out-working him. HE ISN'T A GREAT WRESTLER, and as soon as people realise this, we would all be better off. Is he bad? No, not really. Is he perfectly ok? Yeah, sure. Great? Nope, sorry.

HHH would make a great Intercontinental Title contender.

 

Angle-Plex, like I said, Val Venis is never on Raw, and when he is he's getting squashed, so you don't get the opportunity to see him have a good match. If you watch Heat, you'll have seen him face Orton in two of the best matches of his (Orton's) short career. The tag match that I mentioned is one of the best WWE tags of the past few years. He had a damn solid run with GARRISON CADE last year, and I'd venture to say that very few others could get so much out of Cade.

Someone really needs to make a best of Val tape. He pretty much makes HeAT the best WWE show going workrate wise.

 

And more people need to watch that tag.

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Dark Age- You are right that Benoit V Orton was better then Benoit V HHH.

[Guest RadioBurning]

Someone really needs to make a best of Val tape. He pretty much makes HeAT the best WWE show going workrate wise.

 

And more people need to watch that tag.

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I would definitely watch that tape, which hopefully would include this tag match I am now hearing about.

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Somebody tell me what's so special about Trips. This isn't no blind HHHate. I don't like the Undertaker, but I can recognise when he has a good match. Triple H is solid. Pretty good at best. He can have good matches, with good wrestlers. He's put in some very good performances. But he's hardly great. I have a hard time calling him good. All of his "classics" tend to be overrated as Hell. Austin at NWO01? Good match, but ***** MOTY? No fuckin' way. I'm being kind here. There are some people who shit all over that match. Shawn Michaels on Raw 12/03? Pretty good, but the classic everyone pimped it as? Not. Even. Close. There are MAYBE two Trips matches I would consider great. Jericho LMS at FL00, and Cactus at RR00 (and, again, I'm being kind. Some people HATE this match). He is NOT a great wrestler. Rock was better than him. Austin was better than him. Taker CAN be better than him. Angle, despite the current backlash against him, was, and still is, better than him. Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, Rey... they are all better than Triple H. BY FAR.

 

Coffey, once again I ask, WHY is Triple H one of the best wrestlers on Raw? What makes him so special? He's got a bad moveset, he's a decent seller/bumper, his timing is hardly great, he's got pretty much no in-ring charisma, he uses all the shortcuts in the book. Trips' shortcoming is the fact that he BELIEVES he's a great wrestler when, honestly, he isn't. Like, last year, he was trying to book himself in a classic with Benoit. It failed. Vengeance sucked, really hard, and the iron man match was all Benoit bumping. Benoit dragged better stuff out of Orton and Kane.

 

On Raw, Angle, Jericho, Shawn, Tajiri, Regal and Venis were/are all better than him. At the moment, Shelton, Conway and Big Show are all out-working him. HE ISN'T A GREAT WRESTLER, and as soon as people realise this, we would all be better off. Is he bad? No, not really. Is he perfectly ok? Yeah, sure. Great? Nope, sorry.

 

Angle-Plex, like I said, Val Venis is never on Raw, and when he is he's getting squashed, so you don't get the opportunity to see him have a good match. If you watch Heat, you'll have seen him face Orton in two of the best matches of his (Orton's) short career. The tag match that I mentioned is one of the best WWE tags of the past few years. He had a damn solid run with GARRISON CADE last year, and I'd venture to say that very few others could get so much out of Cade.

 

Zyn, you're nuts if you think Triple H was better than Rock and Austin.

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I'm glad someone finally said this, I agree with everything you said, the only thing that seperates Triple H from midcarders like Val Venis and Bob Holly is a push... If they were given the same chances Triple H has been given, to put on great matches, like having their matches booked to mask their weaknesses(like in Triple H's case, having all his matches as overbooked garbage brawls with multiple props) and getting 20+ minutes to wrestle every PPV, they would get as much praise from the IWC, if not more. There is nothing special about Triple H and anyone with even a little talent could of done what he did if given the same push.

[Guest *KNK*]

Why did yet another thread have to rotate into another Triple H tribute/bash.

 

Why compare him to a JTTS anyways? Val Venis is a enhancement worker. He puts others over and makes them look gold and works the tryouts because he is an excellent gauge of how to work the WWE style.

 

Let's get back to the subject of the potential release of WWE superstars and who should and should not fall among the cracks.

[Pegasus Kid 0]

Tyson Tomko

Sylvian Grenier

Shoichi Funaki

Scotty 2 Hotty

Kenzo Suzuki

Steven Richards

Simon Dean

[slimm44 0]

My picks are

 

RAW

Maven

Val Venis

 

Smackdown

The Bashams

Shannon Moore

 

Although I would find it hilarious if they released some major names so they could push the people we rarely see.

[Angle-plex 0]

Not. Even. Close. There are MAYBE two Trips matches I would consider great. Jericho LMS at FL00, and Cactus at RR00 (and, again, I'm being kind. Some people HATE this match). He is NOT a great wrestler. Rock was better than him. Austin was better than him. Taker CAN be better than him. Angle, despite the current backlash against him, was, and still is, better than him. Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, Rey... they are all better than Triple H. BY FAR.

 

The only match Triple H actually gave a great performance in was his RR '00 match. The whole story of him trying to prove himself against Cactus was really great - especially against Cactus's desire to teach him a lesson. It's really a great match that's only hated on because it's on every other DVD and is often praised.

 

Jericho/HHH was good more due to Jericho's selling than HHH's performance.

[Darthtiki 0]

Dissecting the Rosters and their chances of Survival

 

Dawn Marie- She’s pregnant. She likely won’t be on TV for the rest of the year. I could see them cutting her due to the fact she’s aging and isn’t able to be used due to the baby but might sway from the negative heat it would cause by firing a pregnant woman. I think she can’t be making so much that it would be eating up the bankroll.

 

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Not to mention lawsuit, i.e. Hunter Tylo v. I believe Aaron Spelling

[Guest *KNK*]

Dissecting the Rosters and their chances of Survival

 

Dawn Marie- She’s pregnant. She likely won’t be on TV for the rest of the year. I could see them cutting her due to the fact she’s aging and isn’t able to be used due to the baby but might sway from the negative heat it would cause by firing a pregnant woman. I think she can’t be making so much that it would be eating up the bankroll.

 

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Not to mention lawsuit, i.e. Hunter Tylo v. I believe Aaron Spelling

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It would be hard to prove they fired her because of her pregancy. All they have to claim is "We as a business made a investment in new talent(the other divas) and in order to utilize those new talents, we had no choice to phase out other talents that weren't felt to be in the scheme for the continuing design of the product"

 

Winning a lawsuit here unless she had proof that was why she was fired i.e audio or video footage is very slim.

 

I don't think she's the first diva to have a pregancy during her run, so there isn't a precedent of talent being fired for pregancy.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm going to guess Mordecai and Tomko. Tomko could easily be written out of the show by being "injured by Hogan" and then being forever forgotten about afterwards.

 

I'm going to bet Shannon Moore isn't fired because they do seem to want Matt back and pull a trigger on an angle, and the Matt's buddy gig was over as a jobber act and could apply in a much bigger way here.

[Guest QUP2CME]

I'm going to guess Mordecai and Tomko. Tomko could easily be written out of the show by being "injured by Hogan" and then being forever forgotten about afterwards.

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Mordecai maybe, but I hope they keep Tomko. As a bodyguard type of role he does good.

[Guest JerichosHi-Lite]

I would sack every single one of the WWE women apart from:

 

Trish Stratus- obviously. Still the best woman they've got by some considerable margin. To let her go would be the final nail in the coffin of the women's division

 

Victoria- unbelievably misused. She can wrestle well, can get over as a heel (and did), and well, her talking's OK. Only OK, but she doesn't need to talk very often. They might let her go, but I doubt it

 

Christy Hemme- Still as a green as the day is long but I, and others, have been very impressed with how good she's become in such a short time, especially for a Raw Diva Search winner. With constant work on the promos and the wrestling, Christy could be a big name

 

Melina Perez- Over, can talk decently, does the eye candy role well. If she can wrestle, use her

 

Michelle McCool- has potential, if they'll let her show it

 

Sack the rest of them. They could keep on Stacy and Torrie as eye candy, I suppose. I would sack Dawn Marie. I would sack a pregnant woman from any job, but in wrestling it's 20 times worse. What use is an ageing, ugly-without-miles-of-makeup pregnant diva anyway? Sack her.

 

I'd also sack every one of the "hosses". I can't honestly think of any exceptions this time.

[St. Gabe 0]

I'd also sack every one of the "hosses". I can't honestly think of any exceptions this time.

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Ummm....Batista?...Undertaker?

[King Cucaracha 0]

I would sack a pregnant woman from any job...

 

I'm guessing you don't have control of hiring and firing where you work then, otherwise you'd be familiar with the term 'lawsuit'.

 

I'd also sack every one of the "hosses". I can't honestly think of any exceptions this time.

 

I could think of plenty of exceptions. Big Show. Batista. Undertaker. Kane. Heidenreich (finally getting over). Snitsky (come on, you can't fire Snitsky). Matt Morgan (proved himself in OVW, making the best of a terrible gimmick). Viscera (over with the crowd).

 

I'm sure I'm missing some others.

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Zyn, you're nuts if you think Triple H was better than Rock and Austin.

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Not to stoke the embers which are sizzling out, but I am just not keen on the Rock's and Austin's ring work. The only match I liked of UT recently was that against Angle which set up the 3 way at Vengence vs The Rock (and thats going a way back isnt it).

 

Dark Age- You are right that Benoit V Orton was better then Benoit V HHH.

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I have always said that I like Benoit vs Orton. Just the ending ruined it, cause Benoit should have won.

[Black Lushus 0]

nah, Orton should have won, in the grand scheme of things, it was the following month's worth of Orton booking that ruined him...

[bob_barron 0]

Not to stoke the embers which are sizzling out, but I am just not keen on the Rock's and Austin's ring work. The only match I liked of UT recently was that against Angle which set up the 3 way at Vengence vs The Rock (and thats going a way back isnt it).

 

Taker's match v. Angle in September 2003 was awesome. I also enjoyed his HIAC match v. Lesnar.

 

And you're insane if you think HHH is better then Austin.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

I think ya gotta throw his match with Orton at Wrestlemania in there too. Very good outing IMO. Couple of weeks ago vs. JBL was pretty good as well.

[zyn081 0]

nah, Orton should have won, in the grand scheme of things, it was the following month's worth of Orton booking that ruined him...

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No, I would have run Orton losing and then a month of Orton asking Evo why werent they there for him. Then Orton loses the IC title Surviour Series and starts to get irate.

 

 

Not to stoke the embers which are sizzling out, but I am just not keen on the Rock's and Austin's ring work. The only match I liked of UT recently was that against Angle which set up the 3 way at Vengence vs The Rock (and thats going a way back isnt it).

 

Taker's match v. Angle in September 2003 was awesome. I also enjoyed his HIAC match v. Lesnar.

 

And you're insane if you think HHH is better then Austin.

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Sept 03, which match was that? When people were saying that they should do a submission style match vs Angle?

 

Yes, but you most probably enjoyed cause the UT got murdered by Brock and off the screen for a while.

 

I just prefer HHHs ring work over Austins. Ive never liked Austins ring work. As a persona, I obviously prefer Austin and UT.

 

I think ya gotta throw his match with Orton at Wrestlemania in there too.  Very good outing IMO.  Couple of weeks ago vs. JBL was pretty good as well.

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For me it was the wrong ending so it ruined the match for me. The no DQ was bleuh IMHO.

[Black Lushus 0]

I dunno, I like Orton just enough...I just thought they made him look like a big pansy the next few weeks...I knew they pretty much gave up on him when they had him doing hit and run tactics on Evolution...Benoit wouldn't be running, he'd get his ass handed to him like a man (a stupid man, but a man nonetheless)...

[iggymcfly 0]

Zyn, you're nuts if you think Triple H was better than Rock and Austin.

 

The key word in this sentence is "was."

 

With the HHHate and all the rest of it, people completely forget how much better HHH was before the quad tear. Back in the period from 1999-2001, HHH would have never worked a lazy plodding match like the HIAC at Vengeance.

 

Back then, HHH was busting his ass every night, going full speed to put as good of a match n as possible, he had a much wider moveset, and he was probably the best all-around wrestler in the WWF.

 

Of course, immediately after the quad tear, Austin caught fire, and had far and away his best year in the ring, whereas Triple H has only had a couple truly great matches since and has regressed significantly in terms of in-ring skill, relying on selling for 90% of the match, and reducing his moveset to something along the lines of, punches, kneelift, foreign object, pedigree.

 

While I'd still put Austin's 2001 ahead of any year that HHH had in the WWE and Rock's had some great matches as well, saying Triple H "was" better than Rock and Austin is wholly accurate if you're talking about his two and a half year prime.

[Angle-plex 0]

Trips was never a better wrestler than Austin, even in his prime. Sure, Austin had a shit year in 1999, but Austin is so much better at in-ring psychology and expressing emotion in his matches than Hunter.

 

Rock is a different story.

[gWIL 0]

To add to the Orton V Benoit debate, I thought the match was excellecent but I would have done would be to have Orton retain against Edge and promote Orton V Benoit as Champion vs Champion and have Orton win and become a double Champion and go on this big role as a heel, cleanly defeating several faces leading to Triple H getting kicked out of Evolution for just being dead weight (Flair and Dave are Tag Champions) and doing Orton/HHH at the Rumble and do it largely as Heel vs Heel and then do the Batista/HHH storyline with Orton/Batista leading up to heel Orton vs face Batista at Mania.

[Black Lushus 0]

HHH would kill you for even suggesting that!

[Guest nokia]

WWE has been laying off a number of people as part of budget cutbacks. They released ten office workers last week and four this week. Announcer Marc Loyd was released today, likely in part because WWE will be cutting back to just one weekend show, so their need for announcers isn't as great. His desk was cleared off as of this afternoon at the office. As first reported in the Torch Newsletter posted online on Tuesday, at Raw on Monday in Anaheim, at a meeting it was mentioned that there would be wrestler cutbacks coming soon

 

Credit PWtorch

[zyn081 0]

To add to the Orton V Benoit debate, I thought the match was excellecent but I would have done would be to have Orton retain against Edge and promote Orton V Benoit as Champion vs Champion and have Orton win and become a double Champion and go on this big role as a heel, cleanly defeating several faces leading to Triple H getting kicked out of Evolution for just being dead weight (Flair and Dave are Tag Champions) and doing Orton/HHH at the Rumble and do it largely as Heel vs Heel and then do the Batista/HHH storyline with Orton/Batista leading up to heel Orton vs face Batista at Mania.

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That sounds like getting through a lot of ground to me, especially from the RR to WM. I would have kept Orton as IC champ. Add to the legend killer world tour since Orton was getting decent pops to that but lose to Benoit without Evo running interferance for him. The next month Orton could be like, why werent you guys there for me and they pawn him off with lame excuses. Next month at Unforgiven, HHH gets another rematch vs Benoit some how. During the match they cut to the back showing Batista and Orton running to the ring. Orton stops. Batistas like coming on HHH needs our help. Orton like you werent there for me. HHH loses the title match. Goes balistic. 'Forgives' Randy. Refuses to help him in his IC matches and makes him defend it every RAW. A blown out Randy finally loses the title at Surviour Series. At Armageddon Randy releases that hes been a fool and nobodys dogs body and try to make HHH lose the title which hes won back again by now at Surviour Series. Enters the rumble. HHH stares on as Randy wins the rumble. Next night on RAW HHH tells Randy hell forget about Randy's actions if he pulls out of the WM ME. Randy obviously declines that option. I would have kept Evo together way beyond WMXX1 as well. Make HHH always pass comments up to NWO (yes, I know its SD PPV) by saying its best that Randy is in the ME so hell lie down for him. After a month Randy cuts the promo and pretty much turns on HHH. HHH is denial. Have Batista rough Randy up a bit. Watch as HHH gets frustrated with young Randell.

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In the first of what will likely be several WWE talent cuts, Marc Loyd was officially released by the company. His desk was actually cleared off this afternoon.

 

Aside from the general need to make budget cuts, Loyd's firing was likely due to WWE's new USA TV deal. With only one weekend show, WWE will simply not need as many announcers.

 

Stay tuned for the latest coverage.