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Holly will be fired to prove a point.

 

he will probably finally get a world title push

 

The first two went so well.

 

Billy Graham is on Nancy Grace

 

He's right up there with Mero and Debra for media-whoring.

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add Mero to the list of Media Whores, i thought the list was 89 now Mero says 104, did a bunch of people die and we didnt know about

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Johnny Grunge's wife says his sleep apnea didn't kill him, and Nancy Grace is agreeing.

 

Uh... yeah. It can be fatal if not treated.

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Well this is quite the Bill O'Reilly bait-and-switch. :lol:

 

It certainly is. Considering he claims he is the no spin zone, he and fox certainly did a bit of spinning today. At the least misleading.

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add Mero to the list of Media Whores, i thought the list was 89 now Mero says 104, did a bunch of people die and we didnt know about

 

Mero must be adding those who died over the age of 50. The 84 is what the media has been talking about.

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Nancy may have killed Daniel and in a fit of rage Chris killed her and then realized he goofed

oops he goofed

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lol @ Bill O'Reilly and pretty much anything on fox news.

 

thats some hard hitting journalism...rehashing segments

from 5 years ago and passing it off like "we were right all along"

:bonk:

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Looks like Rey can call it a career. At least he won the World HEAVYWEIGHT title.

 

Even though most hated it due to his size, the Eddie deal, etc...... with his heart apparently in bad shape, Rey, HANG EM UP.

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It feels really weird that as of right now, or rather as far back as when Eddie died, I can sit here and say with a straight face that it wouldn't shock me to not only see Rey Mysterio pass before someone like Jake Roberts, but also that it wouldn't shock me if Rey was the next one to die because of all of this bullshit.

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They are in no way shape or form going to get rid of Mysterio, he moves way to much merch and makes them to much money.

 

If when he appeared in Mexico is any indication he is much smaller and normal looking now....

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He really seems to be smaller now? If so, that's great. I just hope that he hasn't damaged himself too bad over the past 10+ years.

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found this on PWHeadlines:

 

Matt Hardy recently posted the following blog on his MySpace page:

 

My Opinions and Beliefs

 

After taking in everything that has been going on and said about the WWE the last couple of weeks, I am ready to air my feelings and comments. I'm going to speak as candid and as honestly as I can. I've been told it's ok to say what I want, and that's exactly what I'm gonna do.

 

The first thing I want to mention is how disappointed I am with a majority of the media's coverage of the recent events. There was a terrible tragedy that happened and now the media wants to points the finger of responsibility at our industry. So many people are looking for someone else to take the blame--in a constant attempt to garner ratings on the "hot" story. If it turns out what is currently speculated is what actually happened to Chris Benoit and his family, only one person was ultimately responsible--that being Chris himself. I would suggest it was because Chris Benoit had a mental dysfunction, some sort of mental illness or disease. Any form of life, in any occupation, can eventually reach a point where they became mentally ill because they let their personal and professional issues overtake their sanity. Whatever walk of life you come from, you have to be able to know within yourself when you need help. If you continue to go without help or change when you desperately need it, you'll eventually snap. It's happened to postal workers, factory workers, school kids, people from all walks of life--this time it just happened to be a professional wrestler.

 

Some of the media have made ridiculous statements and created so many absurd scenarios. Such things as Chris Benoit was demoted by going from "The Four Horsemen to Raw"--and that Nancy Benoit and Sherri Martel passed away on the same day, and were their deaths somehow tied together? Within the WWE we exaggerate stories and have over the top characters--but we admit we're entertainment. It's so irresponsible for some of the media to state such sensationalized stories and give incorrect information--they claim to be reporting factual events to the public.

 

It's also very odd that so many older wrestlers that haven't been in our locker room in years, some decades--seem to think they're informed of the current habits of today's talent. If they're legitimately trying to make a difference, I can respect and applaud that. But if their motive is to get that fifteen minutes of fame and get their name circulating again, that's not very cool. Regardless of their motivation, they don't know the activities of our generation, the newer generation. The talent has changed. Our generation is so much more responsible and cognizant of their lifestyles and health compared to the generations before. Does that mean everyone's perfect? Absolutely not. But the talent is so much more disciplined and responsible than the talent from years past. The demographic that the media always speaks about "dying young" is yesterday's generation, not today's. Those numbers will dwindle down in the years to come--I guarantee it.

 

The current WWE roster is the best behaved and most responsible locker room that I've ever been in over the nine years I've been with the WWE. And the drug-testing system that we have is totally legitimate. If it wasn't, I wouldn't state that publicly. Considering the physicality of what we all do, there will always be times where injured wrestlers will be prescribed medications to legitimately deal with pain and injuries. And I don't mean the exaggerated overdoses that Dr. Astin was apparently prescribing.

 

I just recently read an article debating if "personal choice" existed in wrestling--of course it does. I think it all comes down to being disciplined and responsible. Vince McMahon gives everyone he hires an opportunity--it's up to you with what you do with it and how you handle yourself. I'm not a huge guy. I'm not the most talented guy to ever walk through the WWE doors. But I was and I still am given an opportunity to bust my ass and work hard and succeed. And I have. And I didn't have to look like a bodybuilder to do so. I'm not a steroid user. Never will be. But that hasn't stopped me from making a great living within the WWE for almost nine years. Over the course of the last six months, I've been on the most successful run of my entire career. And I'm not a drug user--with the exception of a occasional beer or cocktail. If I have an early flight or an early wake up, I go to bed early. I'm responsible. If I have a minor injury, I make it my priority to take care of it and treat it. I'm responsible. Back in the day, during the generations before us, wrestlers were so consumed with living the "rock star" lifestyle that they sacrificed sleeping and recuperation time to party. The "rock star" lifestyle often consisted of doing recreational drugs to party and then using drugs to go to sleep and then wake up. But our generation is not doing that like yesterday's generation. In fact, the majority of the guys within the WWE today frown on that behavior. Being a professional wrestler is a challenging and tough career--but it ultimately our "personal choices" that depend on how each wrestler lives their life.

 

The WWE is so often scrutinized for so many negative things--what about all the great things that the WWE does? What about all the great things performers like myself do? How come that's not weighed in when people are making blanket comments about the WWE? I pride myself on being a role model. I can't tell you how much it means to me to have the power to brighten people's lives. Whether it's a Make-A-Wish child, an injured soldier, or just a random Matt Hardy fan--I have been blessed with the ability to make people smile, to be able to give them a memorable moment. I fortunately have the power to make people feel good. I also have the power to influence people. And I take that power very seriously and responsibly. I conscientiously live my life in a way where others could model themselves after me. I don't do drugs, I always attempt to do the right thing, to be a good person, and to lead by example. I often visit military hospitals, children's hospitals, and schools to speak to kids about the importance of education. So do many of the other WWE superstars. And don't forget the WWE's donations to charities, Smackdown your Vote, the Get Real program, or the annual Tribute to the Troops trip that happens every year. Myself and the WWE do alot of wonderful things that are often forgotten or overlooked because we're "wrestling." I try to make a difference, give back, and change the world every day of my life--and being a "wrestler" is what allows me to often succeed.

 

I want to thanks all of the "wrestling" fans that have stuck with me through thick and thin. I also want to thank all of the fans that have stuck with the wrestling industry for the right reasons. There's at least one thing that Matt Hardy and the wrestling business have in common--regardless of what we're put through, we "Will Not Die!"

 

Quote of the day - "I don't shine if you don't shine" - The Killers, Read My Mind

 

Matt

 

Matt Hardy raises alot of good points, its like that in all of the world, i mean how often do we actually hear good news in the media anymore

 

I agree with a lot of what Matt Hardy said.......It is the old generation compared to the new generation and people are trying to come down on the new generation now for the old generation dying for living a hard lifestyle.

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I don't think WWE is going to fire anyone unless you start seeing a serious Federal investigation. During that time guys like Warrior, Bulldog, and LOD vanished quickly. Note that Bulldog returned in time for SS 94 right after the steroid trial.

 

To be honest, I don't think most wrestling fans even care that Rey or Holly have been on the juice. If Rey is in as bad a shape as reported then he probably should call it a career, but they wouldn't fire him over this Astin thing.

 

If Vince got in trouble with the govt. again guys like Masters and Snitsky would be the first to go. Guys with no talent and huge muscles.

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OReilly looked 70 years old in that clip from 2002. Linda looked the same as most cyborgs would. I dont understand the point of that clip since it didnt have anything to do with... anything unless they wanted to prove that nothing ever changes in wrestling.

 

Maybe they pulled out at the last minute, since the rest of the show was live so it would be pointless unless Bill needed a long bathroom break.

 

I'd like to believe Matt Hardy too but I dont know about guaranteeing his generation will have less deaths in the future than the previous one. And saying that older wrestlers speaking out now for fame is "not cool." But what is cool is any wrestler now who defends wwe. I'd think they would have as much of an agenda as the ones who bash them. You're not gonna get anything negative from anyone under 40 even if theyre no longer wrestling, just look at CHIROPRACTIC SHAWN STASIAK, youll jus get other people in trouble and its a coworker thing. I dont think anyone thats speaking out, even the worst ones, have a horrible selfserving agenda, it's just a matter of drawing attention to things that they dont want attention on. Back in 2005 Piper did that interview about drugs and steroids etc he never badmouthed wwe he jus spoke of the environment and how hard it is and they fired him because wwe decided from the interview that he was 'miserable' so he should go out and do something else.

 

The stuff with the guys associated with Astin, I think theyll just ignore it like before. The big sting operation a few months back had wrestlers associated with it and there was a brief flurry of statements and that was it. Theyre ok as long as the injury/prescription loophole still stands.

 

 

 

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The O'Reilly thing looks like nothing more than a ploy by him and Fox seeing as Linda McMahon is in China right now.

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Few things here....

 

So Astin was giving NANCY roids? Im seriously wonder if Benoit was almost like a second hand dealer for the boys in the locker room. Her getting roids as well sounds like the doctor was just doing that to not make it completly obvious Chris was getting shit-tons.

 

The O Reilly Factor bait and switch was fucking ridiculous. Do typical "news" programs like this air old segments as filler typically? I found it very odd this was done, to say the least.

 

I hope they get rid of Bob Holly as a PR measure to make a point or something. The guy has been employed way too long to the company and done so little to impress in that long period of time. Good riddance if you ask me.

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If you have a major surgery like Nancy had they'll generally prescribe steroids for you......

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I like how Matt Hardy skillfully avoids the fact that you can CAN TAKE STEROIDS AND STILL PASS THE WWE STEROID TEST because the tolerance levels are I believe THREE times HIGHER IF NOT MORE than other sports. You can fail the MLB steroid test and still pass WWE's with room to spare.

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So Astin was giving NANCY roids? Im seriously wonder if Benoit was almost like a second hand dealer for the boys in the locker room. Her getting roids as well sounds like the doctor was just doing that to not make it completly obvious Chris was getting shit-tons.

The doctor was a candyman, he could've been giving her any kind of medication she wanted. Whether it's mood-altering stuff, painkillers, whatever.

 

I hope they get rid of Bob Holly as a PR measure to make a point or something. The guy has been employed way too long to the company and done so little to impress in that long period of time. Good riddance if you ask me.

But would you want them to keep Rey Misterio? If so, that's awfully double-standardy.

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You know...its wasn't exactly illegal to go to Dr. Astin. Being his patient doesn't mean anything.

 

 

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I hope they get rid of Bob Holly as a PR measure to make a point or something. The guy has been employed way too long to the company and done so little to impress in that long period of time. Good riddance if you ask me.

 

Why am I only the guy who likes Holly?

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I like how Matt Hardy skillfully avoids the fact that you can CAN TAKE STEROIDS AND STILL PASS THE WWE STEROID TEST because the tolerance levels are I believe THREE times HIGHER IF NOT MORE than other sports. You can fail the MLB steroid test and still pass WWE's with room to spare.

 

Like it was explained the standard in WWE is 6-1 where as in say the Olympics is 4-1.....

 

I really wish people would quit saying "in other sports" Wrestling is not a god damn sport.

 

The only real major loop hole is the prescription from a Dr. one and frankly I think if you have a severe injury to be subscribed steroids which does happen, it happened to me personally. I think you should get a pass if it is legit but they should take a look into guys who have prescriptions when they shouldn't have however.

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Billy Graham is on Nancy Grace

 

He's right up there with Mero and Debra for media-whoring.

 

YEAH! God forbid he speak out and show up on these programs when he's invited to. I mean, he's only a legend in the business and has had tons of experience with the entire steroid subject. Yeah, but he's media-whoring and pushing his own agenda like Mero and Debra? Give me a break dude.

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I like how Matt Hardy skillfully avoids the fact that you can CAN TAKE STEROIDS AND STILL PASS THE WWE STEROID TEST because the tolerance levels are I believe THREE times HIGHER IF NOT MORE than other sports. You can fail the MLB steroid test and still pass WWE's with room to spare.

 

Like it was explained the standard in WWE is 6-1 where as in say the Olympics is 4-1.....

 

I really wish people would quit saying "in other sports" Wrestling is not a god damn sport.

 

The only real major loop hole is the prescription from a Dr. one and frankly I think if you have a severe injury to be subscribed steroids which does happen, it happened to me personally. I think you should get a pass if it is legit but they should take a look into guys who have prescriptions when they shouldn't have however.

 

I know I'm being an idiot in this post, but to completely clarify, you're saying the WWE tolerance levels are 1.5 times the Olympic levels? I would assume the IOC would have the strictest testing erhaps globally, so that's a pretty high standard WWE is setting.

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