WWE General Discussion - December 2007

[AntiLeaf33 0]

I know, but I just miss the days when a Mania title match consisted of a couple of guys who really wanted to get at each other and blow the fued off, rather then having the first match of the fued at Mania. Takes a little something away from the show when its done like that, thats all.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Wow. And I disagree one hundred percent with that point of view: I've always been of the opinion that having two guys face each other multiple times makes the blowoff less important. I don't think, for example, that DiBiase and Roberts faced each other in singles action even once on TV between the time that DiBiase took credit for "breaking" Jake's neck and WM6. Or how about Savage and Warrior at WM7? I've always felt that PPV/SNME matches are more significant when it's two guys that have never wrestled each other before. That's why my personal favorite era of wrestling is that which predates the RAW/Nitro/monthly PPV era.

[Fartsauce 0]

There's one reason I don't like this Chamber idea and it's pretty silly. I've always enjoyed the closing moments of the Royal Rumble where there are guys out there that you'd never expect to win the Rumble. Instead of midcarders and curtain jerkers in the final four of the rumble, it'll now be guys we've always seen in this position. I don't expect guys like Paul London, Festus and Santino Marella main eventing a PPV.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Mr. Perfect being in the 2002 final four was awesome. It's funny to think back at whoever were runners up 1-6 at previous events and picture them being put in a 6 man main event the next month. I still think the year Fatu was in the final four was some sort of mistake.

[AntiLeaf33 0]

Didn't see it mentioned, but over at WWE.com they have entire chapters of upcoming DVD's available for viewing. Pretty decent way of promoting upcoming DVD's without out right giving it away.

[GCWPatrick 0]

There's one reason I don't like this Chamber idea and it's pretty silly. I've always enjoyed the closing moments of the Royal Rumble where there are guys out there that you'd never expect to win the Rumble. Instead of midcarders and curtain jerkers in the final four of the rumble, it'll now be guys we've always seen in this position. I don't expect guys like Paul London, Festus and Santino Marella main eventing a PPV.

 

If they play it right(yeah, I know, work with me here), it could be a great opportunity to elevate someone. Throw a wildcard into that mix, play up that he's got an opportunity that he might not otherwise get. Even give him some upset wins over other Chamber participants leading up to the event. He may not win, but his stock would definitely rise in the eyes of the fans. You don't expect them to be in a PPV main event...which is why it would work. Even if there's a "lesser" guy in that match, there are five other guys to carry the star-power load.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

There's one reason I don't like this Chamber idea and it's pretty silly. I've always enjoyed the closing moments of the Royal Rumble where there are guys out there that you'd never expect to win the Rumble. Instead of midcarders and curtain jerkers in the final four of the rumble, it'll now be guys we've always seen in this position. I don't expect guys like Paul London, Festus and Santino Marella main eventing a PPV.

 

If they play it right(yeah, I know, work with me here), it could be a great opportunity to elevate someone. Throw a wildcard into that mix, play up that he's got an opportunity that he might not otherwise get. Even give him some upset wins over other Chamber participants leading up to the event. He may not win, but his stock would definitely rise in the eyes of the fans. You don't expect them to be in a PPV main event...which is why it would work. Even if there's a "lesser" guy in that match, there are five other guys to carry the star-power load.

 

I'd love see MVP and/or Burke get into the chamber.

[GCWPatrick 0]

Speaking of MVP, it's too bad Ray Gordy already has a gimmick or they could have Michael Hayes manage him against MVP to get revenge for the VIP Lounge incident...

[Enigma 0]

WWE has signed Reid Fliehr, the 20-year old son of Ric Flair, to a developmental contract and will be reporting to Florida Championship Wrestling after the holidays in January.

 

Reid made a few appearances on WCW television in 1998, attacking Eric Bischoff. He also appeared again in 2000 during Flair's feud with Vince Russo. His hair was shaved off by Russo on an episode of Nitro a few shows before Russo shaved Ric's head.

 

Reid has an extensive amateur wrestling background, which will no doubt help him in WWE.

 

Shortly after Ric returned to the WWF in 2001, his other son, former WCW U.S. Champion David Flair, was signed to a contract, but only made a few appearances on TV (all getting detroyed by the Undertaker in the build to Taker vs. Flair at WM18). David was eventually released because WWE didn't see anything in him. After a short run in TNA in 2003, David gave up on wrestling and went back to his original goal of being a police officer, which he is now.

[Vern Gagne 0]

How many second or third generation performers are under contract with the WWE?

[King Cucaracha 0]

There's one reason I don't like this Chamber idea and it's pretty silly. I've always enjoyed the closing moments of the Royal Rumble where there are guys out there that you'd never expect to win the Rumble. Instead of midcarders and curtain jerkers in the final four of the rumble, it'll now be guys we've always seen in this position. I don't expect guys like Paul London, Festus and Santino Marella main eventing a PPV.

 

I agree with what you're saying. But, they haven't really done that as much in recent years, at least to the point where it's someone who just plain wouldn't or shouldn't be in the main-event. Since 2000, the final sixes have usually been pretty strong.

 

 

2000: Al Snow, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, Kane, X-Pac, Rock

2001: Haku, Undertaker, Rikishi, Billy Gunn, Rock, Kane

2002: Kane, RVD, Booker, Austin, Perfect, Angle

2003: Maven, A-Train, RVD, Batista, Kane, Undertaker

2004: Goldberg, Cena, RVD, Jericho, Angle, Big Show

2005: Christian, Benoit, Flair, Rey, Edge, Cena

2006: Shelton, HBK, Carlito, RVD, HHH, Orton

2007: Chavo, Khali, MVP, Edge, Orton, HBK

 

Guys in bold would have been ones to stick out like sore thumbs, IMO. You could argue that Haku would have been okay since he was going to be feuding with Undertaker and Kane at the time anyway. A-Train maybe would have fit in '03 too.

 

 

Probably early, but any word on how Corino did in his tryout matches? And chances on him getting a contract out of it?

[Diamonddust 0]

There's one reason I don't like this Chamber idea and it's pretty silly. I've always enjoyed the closing moments of the Royal Rumble where there are guys out there that you'd never expect to win the Rumble. Instead of midcarders and curtain jerkers in the final four of the rumble, it'll now be guys we've always seen in this position. I don't expect guys like Paul London, Festus and Santino Marella main eventing a PPV.

 

I agree with what you're saying. But, they haven't really done that as much in recent years, at least to the point where it's someone who just plain wouldn't or shouldn't be in the main-event. Since 2000, the final sixes have usually been pretty strong.

 

 

2000: Al Snow, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, Kane, X-Pac, Rock

2001: Haku, Undertaker, Rikishi, Billy Gunn, Rock, Kane

2002: Kane, RVD, Booker, Austin, Perfect, Angle

2003: Maven, A-Train, RVD, Batista, Kane, Undertaker

2004: Goldberg, Cena, RVD, Jericho, Angle, Big Show

2005: Christian, Benoit, Flair, Rey, Edge, Cena

2006: Shelton, HBK, Carlito, RVD, HHH, Orton

2007: Chavo, Khali, MVP, Edge, Orton, HBK

 

Guys in bold would have been ones to stick out like sore thumbs, IMO. You could argue that Haku would have been okay since he was going to be feuding with Undertaker and Kane at the time anyway. A-Train maybe would have fit in '03 too.

 

 

Probably early, but any word on how Corino did in his tryout matches? And chances on him getting a contract out of it?

 

Wasn't The Big Show the last man to be eliminated in 2000?

[Silence 0]

Wasn't The Big Show the last man to be eliminated in 2000?

 

Yes. Billy Gunn was injured in 1999 and came back around late summer/early fall 2000, so he wasn't in the 2000 Rumble.

 

edit: Billy Gunn actually got injured sometime after No Way Out 2000, so I forget who wasn't in the final six at the 2000 Rumble.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Wasn't The Big Show the last man to be eliminated in 2000?

 

Yes. Billy Gunn was injured in 1999 and came back around late summer/early fall 2000, so he wasn't in the 2000 Rumble.

 

edit: Billy Gunn actually got injured sometime after No Way Out 2000, so I forget who was in the final six at the 2000 Rumble.

 

It was Rock, who I dumbly forgot 'won' the Rumble before they did that whole storyline with him and Show over who 'really' won.

 

EDIT: I mean, it was Rock he should have been in place of on my list.

Edited December 12, 2007 by King Cucaracha

[haVoc 0]

I don't know if this has ever been posted but it's great comedy. Randy Savage going off on Hogan and HHH and he says he's gonna steal Steph from HHH.

 

Randy Savage is nuts

[Dandy 0]

I don't think I am going to like this booking. In some years, the final entrant or two will be automatic for the Chamber. I think I would have preferred them adding category leaders for the Rumble making it to the Chamber. If the winner of the Rumble lead in a category, then you take the number two guy.

 

That way, Iron Man and Most Eliminations make it into the Chamber and don't necessarily have to be the final 6 eliminated. The Iron Man is not always in at the end of the match, or the Iron Man could be the victor and you would have to take the second guy. This could add another layer of depth to the Rumble. If someone comes in early and takes out 6 guys, you could have later entrants being more aggressive instead of laying back. I dunno, I think it would work.

[haws bah gawd 0]

I don't know if this has ever been posted but it's great comedy. Randy Savage going off on Hogan and HHH and he says he's gonna steal Steph from HHH.

 

Randy Savage is nuts

 

Damn Savage is CUT for a man going on 50.

[The Niggardly King 0]

I don't know if this has ever been posted but it's great comedy. Randy Savage going off on Hogan and HHH and he says he's gonna steal Steph from HHH.

 

Randy Savage is nuts

 

Don't forget about the Ms. Macho Man contest!

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I don't think I am going to like this booking. In some years, the final entrant or two will be automatic for the Chamber. I think I would have preferred them adding category leaders for the Rumble making it to the Chamber. If the winner of the Rumble lead in a category, then you take the number two guy.

 

That way, Iron Man and Most Eliminations make it into the Chamber and don't necessarily have to be the final 6 eliminated. The Iron Man is not always in at the end of the match, or the Iron Man could be the victor and you would have to take the second guy. This could add another layer of depth to the Rumble. If someone comes in early and takes out 6 guys, you could have later entrants being more aggressive instead of laying back. I dunno, I think it would work.

 

That's actually a tremendous idea that would add a whole extra layer of depth to the match.

[Thanks for the Fish 0]

How many second or third generation performers are under contract with the WWE?

 

RAW

Cody Rhodes (Dusty Rhodes)

Carlito (Carlos Colon)

DH Smith (Davey Boy Smith, Stu Hart)

Randy Orton (Bob Orton, Bob Orton Sr)

Umaga (Samoan's)

 

Smackdown!

Chavo Guerrero (Chavo Sr)

Deuce (Jimmy Snuka-adopted?)

Jesse Dalton (Bam Bam Gordy)

 

ECW

Scott Amrstrong (Bob Armstrong)

 

Developmentals

Nattie Neidhart (Jim Neidhart, Stu Hart)

Afa Anoia Jr (Afa Sr)

Lacey Von Erich

Ted Dibiase Jr. (Ted Dibiase)

Eddie Colon (Carlos Colon)

Reid Flair (Ric Flair)

 

Who am I missing?

[The Buzz 0]

Found this on the wrestlingfigs website, and thought it was interesting. I think Punk being upset sounds about right considering that it was supposed to be a charity style event for kids, and it turned into an autograph signing. I just thought the part about his supposed comments on ROH is interesting.

 

 

Autograph session report featuring Rey, CM Punk, and Layla By Chris Sullivan

 

On Tuesday, December 11 at Faneuil Hall in Boston, WWE stars Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, and Layla were set for an appearance to help Globe Santa. Globe Santa is set up to help needed children in the Boston area during the Christmas holiday. The appearance was set to be from 12 noon till 1pm.

 

Many fans began to show up around 11am, by 11:45 there were almost 200 people. The stars limo should up about 12:20, 20 minutes late. At that point a rep from the WWE came out to see what was going on. It seemed that the WWE did not know what was going on. The WWE did not know if the stars were going to be signing autographs or if they were just going to say a few things. The people at Globe Santa said that they knew many fan had personnel things to get signed. At that point the rep went back to the limo and 5 to 10 minutes later the WWE stars came out of the limo.

 

At that point all madness started. There was no line just a large group around the small table set up in the court yard. Fans circled the table and the wrestlers did not know what was going on. CM Punk kept asking what is Globe Santa and what were they doing. A Globe Santa worker yelled they are collecting toys and money to give to need children. At that point CM Puck got on the back of the Globe Santa truck yelling to go to the store and get toys or just to give money.

 

No line was formed. The WWE rep tried to get a line formed but it would not stay long. CM Punk, Rey, and Layla signed everything that was put in front of them. They tried to keep the line moving but were stopped by different cameras (I think some were from new stations and WWE.com). Just before 1pm, the WWE rep was starting to cut off the line. You could see the CM Punk was getting mad. He was telling fans to move along. He kept leaving the table, and even told a fan with a CM Punk figure to grow up. At one point he took items from a fan that he wanted Layla to sign and told the fan not to get it signed. CM Punk insulted a fan that had a Ring of Honor DVD. Punk belittled ROH and its wrestlers. CM Punk also insulted a few people for handed out fliers promoting TNA’s Impacted and Final Resolution. The people were from TNA Wentworth. They had a few choice things to say to CM Puck including he could not cut it in TNA that is way he was on the low rated ECW.

 

Layla on the other hand was a sweet heart. She was talking with all the fans. Took photos and signed everything. Layla picked up a set of Christmas bells and started signing Christmas songs. Fans could tell that Layla was having fun.

 

Rey Mysterio also spent a good amount of time with the fans. Signed everything and took photos with everyone. Rey took the time with all the young fans; he even picked one up and sat the young boy on the table to talk to him for a way.

 

The whole thing was a giant mess. The WWE reps were extremely pushy. CM Punk was a jerk. Fans that got stuff signed would not leave the autograph table. Layla and Rey Mysterio made the best of a bad thing. I hope the people at Globe Santa did well.

 

 

 

[Mecca 0]

"Baby Doll" Nickla Roberts, a featured legends in Legends Championship Wrestling, has informed Legends Championship Wrestling that Jake "The Snake" Roberts was placed in a nine-week rehab program two days ago by World Wrestling Entertainment.

 

Nickla Roberts is the ex-wife of Sam Houston, Jake Roberts' half-brother and has stayed in close contact with Roberts. She said in an exclusive interview with LegendsChampionshipWrestling.com, "Jake needs prayers and support from all of us."

 

A contact from World Wrestling Entertainment was unavailable for immediate comment.

 

source: http://www.legendschampionshipwrestling.com/

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Is that from Legends Championship Wrestling?

[Mecca 0]

The Smackdown guys nearly crash-landed during the flying from Frankfurt, Germany to Zurich, Switzerland. They were going in for the landing and another plane popped up straight ahead of them on the runway ("out of nowhere") and the pilot was able to pull up and avoid it at the last moment. The wrestlers were said to be "white as ghosts" when they showed up at the hotel.

 

In the Hogan/Linda divorce filings, Hogan claimed that the marriage ended in September of 2007. This would go against claims that they were effectively broken up months earlier and had to "play nice" during the filming of Hogan Knows Best. Of course, they could have had major problems up to that point and finally decided to break it off for good in September. The only other thing of note was that Hogan claimed they were married December 12, 1983, and she responded in her filing that she agreed with all of his claims except the date of the marriage

 

Dave Kapoor, the creative team member who plays the translator for Great Khali, got screamed at Monday night. Even though everyone in the final segment on Raw pretty much broke kayfabe, apparently Stephanie felt Kapoor was having too much fun. As everybody was getting their stuff after the show she called him over and told him that it was very unprofessional, and intimated that if he didn't take "the job of a lifetime" seriously that might be it for him.

 

She said someone on creative shouldn't be an on-screen character and she'd gone to bat for him, so he better not screw it up. He's only been watching WWE since 2003, so I can understand him doing something like that and not even thinking about it, particularly in a segment like the Austin beer bash where everyone was just having a good time.

 

RVD on the Joe McDonnell Experience radio show said that WWE should not be testing for marijuana. You're stunned. He said when you think about things like anti-depressants or painkillers, weed should be the least of WWE's concerns. He said he'd started a production company, was working on a comic book, had a Rob TV project of some sort in the works (!), and was working on a new website. So no, there isn't a return to wrestling planned anytime in the future. He did say that he was currently going through "spiritual rehab", and that when the time is right he would be welcome to returning on a limited schedule.

 

Wonder if that means TNA? He was asked if he ever had an issue with someone in the ring, and he said one time he had a match with Kurt Angle and Kurt felt that he'd disrespected him, and so afterwards they had heated words in the back before cooler heads prevailed. I think Angle is the wrong guy to be picking a fight with. It is funny, though, that on WWE 24/7 this month they were talking about something or other, and Mick Foley said he had a story to tell. He said prior to Tazz's WWE debut against Kurt Angle in the Royal Rumble, Kurt came up to him and asked what he should do if Tazz shot on him in the ring. You know, because Tazz was THE ECW SHOOTER~! Tazz was actually on the panel when Mick told this story and he burst into laughter. Foley said he told Angle that he had nothing to worry about.

 

credit:F4W Newsletter

 

[garfieldsnose 0]

Hey, it's the internet so let's justify anything CM Punk does.

 

He sure wasn't acting professional. Why should it be OK?

[JPopStarKami 0]

Hey, it's the internet so let's justify anything CM Punk does.

 

He sure wasn't acting professional. Why should it be OK?

 

Not justifying, but is the story true, or is it just someone trying to discredit him?

[Hawk 34 0]

It does sound like those people were pretty disorganized, that much is true. How hard is it to say "Get in three lines" before they showed up? Hard to take this seriously, when they call him Puck all throughout the thing.

[Jingus 0]

I fucking hate Punk and would gladly believe any credible story which made him sound like a douche, but even I don't think this sounds legit. It's a very badly written story which seems terribly confused as to exactly what was going on; on some subjects it magically has all the details, while on others it's maddeningly vague. Seems to go back and forth between trying to make Punk look like a jerk and make the entire crowd that gathered all sound like retards.

[Thanks for the Fish 0]

Yeah, my av basically indicates my bias. However the fact that the "reporter" made sure to include the TNA road crew insults tossed back and that he trashed ROH shows his bias. I mean Punk is often backstage at a lot of ROH events - why would he do that if he hates the company and thinks their wrestlers suck?

 

I just think Punk thought he was being used in the sense he was supposed to be at a charity gig and nobody was buying any toys or donating money. So you're sitting at a table swarmed by unruly masses of fans, crowded and trying to sign things. Given they were only scheduled there for an hour and there was a lot of people there you basically had to pump people through like an assembly line without any real interaction if you wanted to get the most prople through the line. Now everybody wants a few things signed, personalized a little conversation and pictures taken. If there was over 200 people, that's about 15 seconds a person in an organized setting and this sounds far from organized.

 

Now did the fans have to donate a toy or money to get autographs? Or did they show up get the autographs and leave? I don't think they were supposed to be at an autograph signging.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

Yeah, the random ROH bashing and inserting of "TNA Wentworth" (which I've never heard of or have the slightest clue what it even means) reeks of self publicity.