Guest rawmvp Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Last night on RAW, Orton botched the RKO and everybody laughed at him. According to Slapnuts!, Eddie Guerrero botched three moves at the Smackdown Taping (contains mild spoilers) Eddie actually screwed up a few spots. He was supposed to a headscicors to eliminate Haas but he didn't go over so he had to kind of throw him over after. He also landed ackwardly on Rikishi with a frog splash like his knees going into Kish's face. Ouch. There was also a spot with Eddie and Angle both teasing going over the top and they nearly did, Eddy was this close to slipping off to the floor and one of the ref's RUSHED over and gave him a little lift back up. Woops! Now, will anyone talk about how inept Eddie is, especially after bungling THREE moves in ONE match? No way. Eddie Guerrero, for reasons that elude me won't be judged by the same principles as Randy Orton. And keep in mind, too -- Eddie G is a veteran and Orton is still green. Shouldn't a veteran be censured more than a rookie who is prone to making mistakes? No, because the IWC has a selective memory, and it's a blatant representation of how we unequally judge wrestlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 You hit the nail right on the head, rawmvp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Because Eddy has proven that he's not an inept wrestler. Orton has yet to have a good match. Eddy gets a little lee-way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Oh, shit. You're right. ::shoots self in the head:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 If it were anyone other than Eddie, I'd agree with you. But I'm a huge Eddie mark... ...so, yeah...double standards by me. Fuck ups happen. It's not like Orton should have been bashed the way he was anyway...Eddie shouldn't either. You could also have used the example of Goldberg falling during his entrance to mass laughter at SS, before Angle botched a DDT later on to nothing. But, I get your point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Eddie has established himself as a GREAT wrestler for the past decade+ Orton is being pushed to the moon because Vince likes his physique. When Orton has as many good matches, or matches period as Eddie has, then maybe he will EARN his leeway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Fuck ups happen. It's not like Orton should have been bashed the way he was anyway The thing here, like I meant to say, is Eddy is really kind of great at everything, so when he makes a mistake, he more or less has enough "credit" to cover it. Orton, to put it delicately, hasn't set the world on fire. So when he has consistantly bad matches AND fucks them up, he gets blasted. His lack of heat helps nothing either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 You could also have used the example of Goldberg falling during his entrance to mass laughter at SS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Orton sucks. He hasn't had good matches. He has no heat. Orton sucks. Yeah.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 This reminds me of when Jericho messed up two spots and everyone was like "OMG Jericho is such a bad wrestler, he screws up all the time." I didn't give Orton any crap for messing up the spot, I just hate the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Orton sucks. He hasn't had good matches. He has no heat. Orton sucks. Yeah.... Yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scroby 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 See there's a differance between messing up a spot and moving on and missing a spot and repeating the same spot. See last night instead of running back and doing the RKO again, he could have kicked Jericho and just did it from there. Instead he decided to do the same spot and made it look worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Repeating the spot is the epitome of being a worthless piece of shit in the ring. It was like Sabu posessed Randy Orton's body for one night. Eddy has had countless **** matches, Randy is yet to break **. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 28, 2004 It also depends on how Eddy improvised afterwards on the Head-scissors, like if he covered it up well. With the Frog Splash who cares if his knee went on Rikishi's head...if it ends up making it so there's less Rikishi on my TV then go Eddy. With the over the top rope thing we'll just have to see what happened with the refs to see if they covered it up well too. We saw Orton blow a spot ridiculously and then try to use the same spot rather than improvise, thus why it sucked. Eddy has been in the bizz long enough to know when to improvise. If it looked shitty I'll say it looked shitty, no qualms about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Laugh if it's funny, simple as that. I like Randy Orton, but I still laughed at him, and I'll probably laugh at Eddie too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Plus, we haven't SEEN it yet. You want us to make a joke about a botched move from a SMACKDOWN SPOILER report? Let us see it and see how he recovers. If he tries to go for the same move again, and no one says anything then yes you can call double standard. Let us see it before you start saying no one will make fun of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I'm beginning to see why more and more people hate this folder every month. God, we hate Orton. That is not going to change quickly. He is yet to show us why he should be the Intercontinental Champion, or why he should be having a top-line feud with Mick Foley while guys like Christian and RVD are reduced to sitting on their fucking thumbs for the duration of RAW, and maybe getting a match that means next to jack shit. We love Eddie and Benoit, because the work that they do in the ring makes us happy to be a professional wrestling fan. Both men are FINALLY getting the pushes they deserve, and both men will be World Champions of the two respective brands in the next couple of months. This makes us all happy, except for a small, stupid, vocal minority that just likes to stir up trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 28, 2004 God, we hate Orton. That is not going to change quickly. He is yet to show us why he should be the Intercontinental Champion, or why he should be having a top-line feud with Mick Foley while guys like Christian and RVD are reduced to sitting on their fucking thumbs for the duration of RAW, and maybe getting a match that means next to jack shit. Don't forget about Matt Hardy. He's been reduced to Goldberg whipping boy or nothing at all. I was excited at first when he went to Raw because I wanted to(and still do) see a Matt Hardy/Shawn Michaels feud because both are so similiar. Both started off in tag teams Both went into singles action due to their partners becoming infatuated with drugs and no longer really giving it their all in the bussiness Both have made great heel singles competitors to start their singles career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Repeating the spot is the epitome of being a worthless piece of shit in the ring. It was like Sabu posessed Randy Orton's body for one night. Eddy has had countless **** matches, Randy is yet to break **. Countless VETERANS do the same thing in the ring. Jericho, to name one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 We love Eddie and Benoit, because the work that they do in the ring makes us happy to be a professional wrestling fan. Both men are FINALLY getting the pushes they deserve, and both men will be World Champions of the two respective brands in the next couple of months. This makes us all happy, except for a small, stupid, vocal minority that just likes to stir up trouble. Granted, I'd rather have Benoit getting the proper title, but we can't be choosers and him getting "pushed" to partly mainevent WM to hopefully and finally win a world title would make me happy even if its not the right one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muzz 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Last night on RAW, Orton botched the RKO and everybody laughed at him. According to Slapnuts!, Eddie Guerrero botched three moves at the Smackdown Taping (contains mild spoilers) Eddie actually screwed up a few spots. He was supposed to a headscicors to eliminate Haas but he didn't go over so he had to kind of throw him over after. He also landed ackwardly on Rikishi with a frog splash like his knees going into Kish's face. Ouch. There was also a spot with Eddie and Angle both teasing going over the top and they nearly did, Eddy was this close to slipping off to the floor and one of the ref's RUSHED over and gave him a little lift back up. Woops! Now, will anyone talk about how inept Eddie is, especially after bungling THREE moves in ONE match? No way. Eddie Guerrero, for reasons that elude me won't be judged by the same principles as Randy Orton. And keep in mind, too -- Eddie G is a veteran and Orton is still green. Shouldn't a veteran be censured more than a rookie who is prone to making mistakes? No, because the IWC has a selective memory, and it's a blatant representation of how we unequally judge wrestlers. Those don't seem as bad as completely missing a move, then repeating it. Plus, they could improvise with the last botch, and say that Eddie is such a cheating bastard, he bought off a ref to help him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I enjoyed the Orton match because he actually seemed to have a HELL of a lot of character that I ain't seen in him before now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Last night on RAW, Orton botched the RKO and everybody laughed at him. According to Slapnuts!, Eddie Guerrero botched three moves at the Smackdown Taping (contains mild spoilers) Eddie actually screwed up a few spots. He was supposed to a headscicors to eliminate Haas but he didn't go over so he had to kind of throw him over after. He also landed ackwardly on Rikishi with a frog splash like his knees going into Kish's face. Ouch. There was also a spot with Eddie and Angle both teasing going over the top and they nearly did, Eddy was this close to slipping off to the floor and one of the ref's RUSHED over and gave him a little lift back up. Woops! Couldn't Eddy just put all his weight on one foot and come back into the ring that way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Orton is in a main event spot for having the right look at the right time I guess...Eddie is ALMOST there for years of hard work and great matches, so I'm a little more likely to let and Eddie mess up slip rather then another blown spot by Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 28, 2004 The random bullshit laced in this thread is just mind boggling. I guess it's easier to hate someone when your reasoning is mostly bullshit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Last night on RAW, Orton botched the RKO and everybody laughed at him. According to Slapnuts!, Eddie Guerrero botched three moves at the Smackdown Taping (contains mild spoilers) Eddie actually screwed up a few spots. He was supposed to a headscicors to eliminate Haas but he didn't go over so he had to kind of throw him over after. He also landed ackwardly on Rikishi with a frog splash like his knees going into Kish's face. Ouch. There was also a spot with Eddie and Angle both teasing going over the top and they nearly did, Eddy was this close to slipping off to the floor and one of the ref's RUSHED over and gave him a little lift back up. Woops! Now, will anyone talk about how inept Eddie is, especially after bungling THREE moves in ONE match? No way. Eddie Guerrero, for reasons that elude me won't be judged by the same principles as Randy Orton. And keep in mind, too -- Eddie G is a veteran and Orton is still green. Shouldn't a veteran be censured more than a rookie who is prone to making mistakes? No, because the IWC has a selective memory, and it's a blatant representation of how we unequally judge wrestlers. You must really like Orton man cause this is a pretty simple one to understand. Here is my advice. Go and get the tape(if you don't already have it) of the Halloween Havoc 97 match between Eddie and Rey. Orton could only dream of putting on a match like this......with ANYBODY. Keep in mind this is only ONE example of Eddie's stellar work in the past. Give me one of Orton's that remotely stacks up to this, and I'll agree with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I can't take seriously any opinions of the same guy who started and proliferated this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I like Orton, but the logic in this thread is bogus. Eddy has a career full of great matches and such to show you that his messing up is a fluke. Randy Orton has had brief moments of good wrestling in some of his matches so far. Comparing the two of them is ridiculous. I don't think Orton should be killed for messing up in Raw on monday, but its something he'll have to work on to be a top guy. If he f*cks up the finisher on Foley at mania, that won't be good. niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I can't take seriously any opinions of the same guy who started and proliferated this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Orton broke one of the big rules in wrestling on RAW, never ever do the same spot twice after you fuck up the first time. Sabu use to do it all the time that's why he is where he's at, still working at high schools gyms. Eddy or even RVD fuck up a move every now and then but they don't go for the same move again after they botched it, they know better.Anyway Orton is still green and that's why he is not ready to be a main eventer, if Vince put half of the push Orton is getting on Y2J or RVD they would be mega over by now, but since is his new son's pet project we the fans have to suffer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
