Joe Rogan vs. Carlos Mencia

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I don't think the downloading analogy works unless you assume that one is downloading those movies for the specific purpose of playing them in a theater and charging people money for it.

[LJSexay 0]

that video was hilaaaaaarious. I hope this hits Carlos in a bad bad way.

[2GOLD 0]

I don't think the downloading analogy works unless you assume that one is downloading those movies for the specific purpose of playing them in a theater and charging people money for it.

 

I guess they mean the whole "stealing money from them" deal. But I don't think Martin is less famous because some jackass in Montana downloaded The Departed.

[AmericanDragon 0]

I don't think the downloading analogy works unless you assume that one is downloading those movies for the specific purpose of playing them in a theater and charging people money for it.

 

Yeah I have no idea why Slim even came up with that dumb analogy. There was an even better analogy right there staring him in the face yet he had to go with something else.

 

If someone had downloaded a movie or a song and had somehow convinced the public that it was his and profited for it, then that would be similar to what Mencia is doing. All you had to do was substitute "joke" with "movie" or "song." While downloading copyrighted material without paying for it is rightfully wrong, most people aren't profiting from it. It's just for their own enjoyment.

 

Citrus has a point, actually. The correlation between one comic ripping off another, and downloading a film, are rather identical. For the record, I've not seen either comedian's stand up act. I lurk around the thread just for the comments posted.

 

No, it isn't. Unless the correlation is that they're both wrong. Downloading copyrighted material for your own enjoyment has nothing to do with the whole Mencia/Rogan thing.

 

edit: Rogan on Breuer's show:

http://www.haider.1g.fi/Joe_Rogan_Talks_ab...BreuerUnlea.mp3

[Youth N Asia 0]

1. Carlos Mencia is not funny

2. Joe Rogan, who I hated for killing the Manshow, I have since really liked for his work with the UFC and his stand up.

 

It was great seeing Carlos get owned

[Ginger Snaps 0]

If someone had downloaded a movie or a song and had somehow convinced the public that it was his and profited for it, then that would be similar to what Mencia is doing. All you had to do was substitute "joke" with "movie" or "song." While downloading copyrighted material without paying for it is rightfully wrong, most people aren't profiting from it. It's just for their own enjoyment.

 

Citrus has a point, actually. The correlation between one comic ripping off another, and downloading a film, are rather identical. For the record, I've not seen either comedian's stand up act. I lurk around the thread just for the comments posted.

 

No, it isn't. Unless the correlation is that they're both wrong. Downloading copyrighted material for your own enjoyment has nothing to do with the whole Mencia/Rogan thing.

 

Agreed.

 

To be similar, someone would have to basically remake The Departed, slightly changing the setting and changing the name, and then go around acting as if it was a totally original film concept that you had created yourself.

 

I don't really like Joe Rogan, I'm not into the shootfighting stuff or Fear Factor and he doesn't appeal to me, but that clip was funny. Mencia really got levelled.

[Special K 0]

Again, the issue is not whether or not you like Mencia or Rogan.

 

Here's an example. I think No Cure For Cancer is really, incredibly funny. I can appreciate Bill Hicks' material, but I really don't like his delivery 80% of the time. Yet, when I heard, and looked up the fact that Leary liberally ripped off Bill Hicks, I lost a lot of respect for him.

 

I still find No Cure For Cancer funny, but it seems kind of tainted now.

 

 

The most embarassing part of the whole thing is his assertion that a jewish guy couldn't make the joke that he ripped off. How fucking stupid.

[The Fett 0]

The whole backbone of comedy is that comedians talk about their lives, personal experiences, observations they've made, etc. We now know that everything that comes out of Mencia's mouth is a farce. I don't understand how anybody could still enjoy his comedy act knowing that.

 

The next time he's doing his standup act and he's starts off with "A funny thing happened to me the other day....", in the back of my mind, I would be thinking "did this really happen to him, or is he just ripping off some other comics story?".

[AmericanDragon 0]

Make sure to listen to the whole mp3. There's ~10 minutes of buildup but it pays off in the end.

 

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/...0Show%20Podcast

 

Mencia calls back to defend himself:

 

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/...ey_Show_Podcast

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Citrus has a point, actually. The correlation between one comic ripping off another, and downloading a film, are rather identical. For the record, I've not seen either comedian's stand up act. I lurk around the thread just for the comments posted.

 

No, it isn't. Unless the correlation is that they're both wrong. Downloading copyrighted material for your own enjoyment has nothing to do with the whole Mencia/Rogan thing.

Yes it is. Bobby Peru said, "But he is stealing people's livelihoods! There such a thing called "intellectual property"." That doesn't speak to the specific point of whether or not he's claiming the material to be his own, it's speaking to the very generic point of stealing someone's intellectual property.

 

The point is that if you've ever stolen anything, you don't have moral high ground to condemn anybody else for stealing. What you do with your stolen product, versus what someone else does with their stolen product is a matter of degree, and a bullshit rationalization in my opinion. It's like someone who got pinched for petty larceny talking shit about someone who got pinched for fencing; they're both just as wrong. Stealing is stealing, and trying to rationalize stealing someone's intellectual property by saying that it's okay, as long as you don't claim that it's your intellectual property, doesn't wash with me.

[Special K 0]

moral high ground, hipocracy, bollocks.

 

You Just blatantly approve plaigraism. You've as much as said it.

 

Like fucking Carlos Mencia, who is so ashamed of stealing shit, you try to sideswipe the argument.

 

Put it simply.

 

IS PLAIGARISM WRONG? WHETHER OR NOT YOU FIND THE PLAIGARIST FUNNY? YES OR NO?

 

I already made my point, and you keep quibbling. Answer the above question.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

RE: stealing jokes = downloading movies

...no, they're really not. Downloading a song/film is like stealing a candybar from the local grocer. Making your whole set filled with nothing but other people's jokes and claiming them to be your own is like unwrapping that Snickers bar and putting it in a plastic pouch that says "I SWEAR I made this shit up, it's not a fucking Snickers, even though it looks, smells, and tastes just like a Snickers."

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Carlos Mencia > Joe Rogan

[bob_barron 0]

Carlos Mencia > Joe Rogan

 

Thank you for backing up with your statement!

 

Care to explain yourself, especially after the overwhelming evidence that shows Mencia to be a joke theif?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The FACT is that ALL comedians steal material from each other and that profession is well known for people doing so. Now, comics don't steal trademark material (like Foxworthy's You Might Be A Redneck If...) but they'll hear a joke or story in a cafe, on television, or even at a club in a town they're just passing through.

 

To act like Mencia is the ONLY guy on the planet who has lifted others' material is to parade your complete ignorance about theater history.

 

Carlos made it big while Joe simply is not funny enough to even be considered a comic much less actually make it himself.

 

And the REAL truth of the matter is that I hate Rogan for turning comedy and telling jokes into some big political thing. That wasn't a debate club, it was the comedy store, people go there to laugh, and I guess that since Joe Rogen isn't a very good comedian at all, he feels the need to just bitch and bitch about how guys who make it big steal. Joe whining about this all the time really puts people off with his loser rants. You really want to shut Mencia up....be funnier than he is. Rogan sucks and his crusade is bound to fail.

[AmericanDragon 0]

That wasn't a debate club, it was the comedy store, people go there to laugh

 

Rogan had just got done doing his act on stage and had also introduced the next comedian who he said opens for "Carlos Menstealia". Mencia (just a person in the crowd, he wasn't scheduled to perform or anything) got up on stage and took the mic away from the next guy and called Rogan out. So you're right, people go there to laugh and Mencia fucked it up. I can't believe there are people defending Mencia for any reason.

 

Mencia is just complete trash.

[bob_barron 0]

The FACT is that ALL comedians steal material from each other and that profession is well known for people doing so. Now, comics don't steal trademark material (like Foxworthy's You Might Be A Redneck If...) but they'll hear a joke or story in a cafe, on television, or even at a club in a town they're just passing through.

No, they don't. As Rogan said, comedians are INSPIRED by each other, but unless they're worthless, don't go out and lift material word for word.

 

To act like Mencia is the ONLY guy on the planet who has lifted others' material is to parade your complete ignorance about theater history.

 

No one is saying he is. In fact, people here have discussed Dane Cook stealing material, in this very thread.

 

Carlos made it big while Joe simply is not funny enough to even be considered a comic much less actually make it himself.

Joe Rogan starred in a hit sitcom that ran for five seasons, then starred on a reality show that lasted 6 seasons, all while becoming a successful commentator for UFC and developing a career as a stand up.

 

I say Rogan's done pretty well for himself.

 

And the REAL truth of the matter is that I hate Rogan for turning comedy and telling jokes into some big political thing.

 

Good for Rogan for exposing joke stealers. As Rogan said, I wish more comedians would speak up and expose hacks like Mencia.

 

That wasn't a debate club, it was the comedy store, people go there to laugh, and I guess that since Joe Rogen isn't a very good comedian at all, he feels the need to just bitch and bitch about how guys who make it big steal.

As someone pointed out, Mencia is the one who called Rogan out to debate him and then got hid ass owned. So blame him for making it into a "debate club."

 

Joe whining about this all the time really puts people off with his loser rants. You really want to shut Mencia up....be funnier than he is. Rogan sucks and his crusade is bound to fail.

 

Considering he's been getting a lot of exposure for it, I think it's helped his career. And Joe is funnier then Mencia as his act is not tired Mexican stereotype jokes....and is actually orginal.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

UFC = most bought PPV event around today. "Mind of Mencia" = pulling in ratings that South Park re-runs do on a niche cable network. Hrmmm...Rogan's w/ UFC, Mencia has his own show...hmmmm...

[Youth N Asia 0]

Carlos Mencia > Joe Rogan

 

BVD = on fucking crack

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Joe has royalties from News Radio syndication that have essentially set him up for life. He's doing well, and any accusation that starts with "He's pissed because he has less money than Mencia" is flawed from the start.

[Special K 0]

yeah, 'you're just jealous' is pretty dumb when the guy has two shows in sindication. Oh he was also the national tae kwon do champion. \What an untalented little bitch. He was pretty incognito on the standup circuit... but again, it was Mencia who interrupted his act.

 

Now ther is the argument that some people have parallel thought processes. But the few people I've heard Rogan call out steal gobs of material. No one accuses fuckin' Chapelle, or Cross or Osswalt, or other funny current comediens of stealing their shit. Because they don't. I heard about Dennis Leary being a joke thief long before Rogan started his little crusade. Again, I looked into it myself, a little bit, and even though I thought Leary did the material better, and I still like Rescue Me and shit, it doesn't make it right.

 

Hell, if anything positive came out of this, it's that I actually learned George Lopez was pretty funny. I only knew him from his shitty sitcom.

[muzz 0]

The FACT is that ALL comedians steal material from each other and that profession is well known for people doing so. Now, comics don't steal trademark material (like Foxworthy's You Might Be A Redneck If...) but they'll hear a joke or story in a cafe, on television, or even at a club in a town they're just passing through.

No, they don't. As Rogan said, comedians are INSPIRED by each other, but unless they're worthless, don't go out and lift material word for word.

 

Doesn't seem like there's much they can do about it either. Easy to see why people like Rogan are frustrated.

[RHR 0]

Stealing jokes is wrong. Period. Anybody can use jokes in a personal setting, we all do it. I know people who are considered "funny" because they do whole comic bits around people in the bar I go to. I, on the other hand, have a reputation for telling bad jokes (unfunny). Why? Because I try out original crap at the bar. When I get a zinger, I take it public to the wrestling show I announce at. And, if somebody repeated it in a private setting later, no skin off my teeth. But, if I found some ass at Comedy Underground saying one of my jokes, I'd rip him a new one.

 

Oh, and here is one of my ORIGINAL bad jokes....

 

By the way, did you hear about Mr. T's new restaurant?

 

<Pause>

 

It's got a Greek theme.

 

<Pause>

 

Yeah, it's called "I Pita The Fool."

 

<Right Away, before the boos> That's not all. George Peppard's family is opening a Mexican dessert restaurant next door.

 

<Pause>

 

Yeah, its called "I love it when a Flan comes together".

 

Cue boos and people throwing things at you.

[Special K 0]

Well no one's going to change anyone;s opinion. So sit down, taked a breath, and listen to the funniest, stupidest comedian ever.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ULKbLsZowg

[naiwf 0]

That was horrible. Even the great Ned couldn't make that funny if he stole it.

[Special K 0]

You fucking loive it naiwff.

[Star Ocean 3 0]

Crap, I just remember that on the first season of Last Comic Standing, Joe, as a judge, tried to get into it with Ant over stealing some Manhattan gay joke. Joe said he heard it before, Ant said he made it up himself, and Buddy Hackett destroyed Joe for trying to start something.

[the max 0]

Crap, I just remember that on the first season of Last Comic Standing, Joe, as a judge, tried to get into it with Ant over stealing some Manhattan gay joke. Joe said he heard it before, Ant said he made it up himself, and Buddy Hackett destroyed Joe for trying to start something.

 

That whole thing was scripted.

[Guest bushwickray]

Citrus-

 

Coming from a stand-up comedian who also manges a major comedy nightclub please take this next statement to heart:

 

Your retarded.

 

As a struggling stand-up comedian it takes hard work to write, perform and do what I do. A lot of hard work. When your writing your own bits you take a piece of your soul with each one and giving it to a bunch of fucks that may love you for it or may shit all over you. It's one of the few times in life where a person reveals themselves, no matter what the consquences. This is how I want to make my living. If some hack showed up on the Tonight Show and did my entire act which took me 2 years to perfect and made it his own, it would set my life back years. Years. Because all of that would be gone. Yeah maybe david Allen Grier, Damon Wayans, Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook could do my masturbating to Wonder woman bit better then me but you know what? 90% of the guys out there could fuck my girl better then me should I let them have a crack at her as well? No. These jokes are a part of me. They repesent everything I've been through. I wouldn't want anyone stealing my girl, I wouldn't want anyone stealing my jokes.

 

Now some comics suck monkey balls and some of them don't know how to do their bits. You know I've seen 5 bits this past year from shitty comics where I thought "I could do better then that with that bit." but I would never do it to even the shittest comic, to one who is probably gonna wind up just being an office worker the rest of his life. These jokes mean alot to him and even though they suck I respect him for going up there and doing one of the hardest things you will ever have to do. You need to respect every single perosn out there that goes up on stage and tries to make you laugh with original material good or bad. You go up in front of 350 drunk prom kids at 2:30 and talk to them about shit and try to make them laugh.

 

Now personally when I'm famous I could care less if someone downloaded a comedy cd or a video I made off of Limewire or something. wanna know why? It'll mean they'll probably go see my act if they like it. Free publicity. It's 2 diffrent things, my man and the fact you can't see that means you are hopless.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Well then, I guess I'll just have to be hopeless, whatever the fuck that means...

 

Stealing is stealing is stealing. Everything else is rationalization.

 

I understand you perfectly: I understand that, in your opinion, there's some circumstances in which stealing is okay, or at least "harmless," like if x = 4, and y >= 5, then it's stealing, but if y < 4, then it's not really stealing. And I'm saying that's bullshit; if x = 4, then it's fucking stealing, and I don't care if y = 2, 3, 5, or banana truck, it's still stealing.