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WWE General Discussion - October 2007

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Actually, Hogan didn't defend against Piper at Halloween Havoc. Obviously, the point still stands about there being little to no defenses.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austin.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

oh god.

 

That's all you have?

 

here's the one thing I'll say about the WWF. They took those elements and actually made it look good, whereas ECW's stuff always came off as huge trainwrecks featuring massive overbooking, little psychology and often times uninteresting characters. Now that's just my opinion, I'm sure others disagree with me. It's hard to go back and watch old ECW stuff on 24/7.

 

I agree, but I'm not going to argue with old ECW mutants about how ECW supposedly created everything good about the last boom period in wrestling, it just got ripped off from them *cries tears*. ECW was awful. It just had a strong cult following. I don't mind if Vince kills off this particular shadow of it.

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I've discussed this in other threads, but I think my favorite period of ECW was the 1998-99 period. That stuff was hardly awful and at least it was more wrestling based. One problem ECW had with the violent brawls is that if you've seen one, you've seen em all. Hell, Tommy Dreamer is a much better actual worker now than he ever was in the real ECW, since he at least wrestles now and doesn't just bash people with stop signs and such.

 

This isn't to say that sort of mayhem doesn't have its place on the card, but it should be a lower card deal and maybe just 1 or 2 matches. When half the show is violent hardcore brawling it wears out the viewer.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austin.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

oh god.

 

That's all you have?

 

here's the one thing I'll say about the WWF. They took those elements and actually made it look good, whereas ECW's stuff always came off as huge trainwrecks featuring massive overbooking, little psychology and often times uninteresting characters. Now that's just my opinion, I'm sure others disagree with me. It's hard to go back and watch old ECW stuff on 24/7.

 

I agree, but I'm not going to argue with old ECW mutants about how ECW supposedly created everything good about the last boom period in wrestling, it just got ripped off from them *cries tears*. ECW was awful. It just had a strong cult following. I don't mind if Vince kills off this particular shadow of it.

 

You didn't have to call me a mutant. I'm not saying they created everything good about the last boom period in wrestling, but they certainly did a lot more than they got credit for. ECW was not nearly as awful as you are making it out to be. There were some amazing story lines. The Dreamer/Raven storyline comes to mind.

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TMZ has reported that John Cena will be one of the participants in NBC's Celebrity Apprentice. Omarosa from season one, Gene Simmons, Tito Ortiz and Stephen Baldwin are also some of the other names participating.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austion.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

I can go on, and on.

The only thing ECW deserves credit for is getting the ball rolling for wrestling to move away from the cartoony bullshit that dominated it at the time.

 

The When Worlds Collide PPV had more influence over cruisers being used in North American wrestling promotions than their use in ECW did. Eddy, Dean, Chris and the rest of them were only there for a cup of coffee before heading off into WCW.

 

And you're over-crediting ECW for Austin's success. A comment from Austin's ex-wife was the inspiration for his eventual nickname, the promo at KOTR coined him a marketable catchphrase and his feud with Bret Hart made him. ECW, at most, provided a template for his attitude.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austion.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

I can go on, and on.

The only thing ECW deserves credit for is getting the ball rolling for wrestling to move away from the cartoony bullshit that dominated it at the time.

 

The When Worlds Collide PPV had more influence over cruisers being used in North American wrestling promotions than their use in ECW did. Eddy, Dean, Chris and the rest of them were only there for a cup of coffee before heading off into WCW.

 

And you're over-crediting ECW for Austin's success. A comment from Austin's ex-wife was the inspiration for his eventual nickname, the promo at KOTR coined him a marketable catchphrase and his feud with Bret Hart made him. ECW, at most, provided a template for his attitude.

 

An attitude that was the main part of the gimmick. He didn't need Stone Cold in front of his name if the attitude was the same. The catchphrase stemmed from the attitude, so ECW's inspiration allowed Austin to become what he did.

 

You could have had Stone Cold Dustin Runnels, with the exact same push and plug everything in with a different attitude and it fails.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austion.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

I can go on, and on.

The only thing ECW deserves credit for is getting the ball rolling for wrestling to move away from the cartoony bullshit that dominated it at the time.

 

The When Worlds Collide PPV had more influence over cruisers being used in North American wrestling promotions than their use in ECW did. Eddy, Dean, Chris and the rest of them were only there for a cup of coffee before heading off into WCW.

 

And you're over-crediting ECW for Austin's success. A comment from Austin's ex-wife was the inspiration for his eventual nickname, the promo at KOTR coined him a marketable catchphrase and his feud with Bret Hart made him. ECW, at most, provided a template for his attitude.

 

An attitude that was the main part of the gimmick. He didn't need Stone Cold in front of his name if the attitude was the same. The catchphrase stemmed from the attitude, so ECW's inspiration allowed Austin to become what he did.

 

You could have had Stone Cold Dustin Runnels, with the exact same push and plug everything in with a different attitude and it fails.

 

Actually, some of the names that the WWE had come up with before Stone Cold was selected were down right horrible.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austion.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

I can go on, and on.

The only thing ECW deserves credit for is getting the ball rolling for wrestling to move away from the cartoony bullshit that dominated it at the time.

 

The When Worlds Collide PPV had more influence over cruisers being used in North American wrestling promotions than their use in ECW did. Eddy, Dean, Chris and the rest of them were only there for a cup of coffee before heading off into WCW.

 

And you're over-crediting ECW for Austin's success. A comment from Austin's ex-wife was the inspiration for his eventual nickname, the promo at KOTR coined him a marketable catchphrase and his feud with Bret Hart made him. ECW, at most, provided a template for his attitude.

An attitude that was the main part of the gimmick. He didn't need Stone Cold in front of his name if the attitude was the same. The catchphrase stemmed from the attitude, so ECW's inspiration allowed Austin to become what he did.

 

You could have had Stone Cold Dustin Runnels, with the exact same push and plug everything in with a different attitude and it fails.

 

Actually, some of the names that the WWE had come up with before Stone Cold was selected were down right horrible.

 

 

How dare you disrespect Chilly McFreeze!

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Source: PWTorch.com

 

Vince McMahon has a history of singling people out backstage and embarressing them in front of other wrestlers. Last Monday when Shawn Michaels was the target of Vince's juvanile behavior, it blew up in Vince's face and left even Stephanie McMahon speechless.

 

Despite the fact that Shawn Michaels returned to WWE a month ahead of schedule, he still has heat with Vince. Shawn made it clear before he returned that he wants more control over his schedule. He won't be doing any overseas tours and will work a somewhat reduced schedule so he can spend more time with his family.

 

When Shawn showed up to RAW last Monday for the first time since his injury, Vince started "chewing him out" in front of the lockerroom. He made fun of Shawn's attitude and his clothing, among other things. To the surprise of everybody, HBK fired back at Vince and put him in his place. Shawn made it very clear to Vince in front of everybody that he won't be disrespected by anybody or treated like a rookie.

 

The wrestlers were shocked that somebody finally stood up to one of Vince's tirades. According to our source, nobody was more shocked than Stephanie McMahon. Witnesses were reportedly amused that Shawn humbled Vince in front of everybody. The McMahons are not necessarily disliked by the roster but this definitely brought Vince down off his high horse.

 

Shawn and Vince have had a volatile relationship for well over a decade. There is no indication that this incident will have any ramifications on Shawn's WWE status.

I normally can't stand Shawn Michaels but good on him for this.

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ECW created the attitude era.

ECW created Stone Cold Steve Austion.

ECW brought cruiserweights over...

 

I can go on, and on.

The only thing ECW deserves credit for is getting the ball rolling for wrestling to move away from the cartoony bullshit that dominated it at the time.

 

The When Worlds Collide PPV had more influence over cruisers being used in North American wrestling promotions than their use in ECW did. Eddy, Dean, Chris and the rest of them were only there for a cup of coffee before heading off into WCW.

 

And you're over-crediting ECW for Austin's success. A comment from Austin's ex-wife was the inspiration for his eventual nickname, the promo at KOTR coined him a marketable catchphrase and his feud with Bret Hart made him. ECW, at most, provided a template for his attitude.

 

Yeah, but without ECW do you really think there would have been a Steve Austin like there was?

What about the whole attitude thing? Do you think McMahon would have went that direction if he didn't see that there was a market for it?

 

I'm not saying that ECW is > than ALL but they do deserve much credit when it comes to a lot of the things that WCW and WWF did in the boom period.

 

 

 

 

 

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Meltzer:

 

--To confirm rumors today, Kristal Marshall was let go by WWE. We don't have anything more than that right now.

 

Kayfabe reason: She attempted to murder Teddy Long. That is reason enough to fire her.

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I've bought a load of ECW dvd's recently, House Party 96, November to Remember 96 and Barely Legal are all fun shows. Looking at just the cards, there's not many WWF/WCW events I'd buy from that era.

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Perfection    0

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Well there goes the hottest diva in the WWE.

 

Sharmell and Kristal all within a week? Watch out Layla!

 

Yeah She is incredibly hot. They finally had a good looking black chick and now she is gone.

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Scroby    0

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Meltzer:

 

--To confirm rumors today, Kristal Marshall was let go by WWE. We don't have anything more than that right now.

I don't understand why WWE keeps releasing people who are in the middle of storylines or are getting a decent push.

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LivingLegendGaryColeman    0

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I was watching some old PPVs today and it hit me that no one has mentioned a "Draft curse" yet. I mean, look at this year's draft:

 

The Great Khali

The Boogeyman

King Booker

Chris Benoit

Torrie Wilson

Chris Masters

Bobby Lashley

Ric Flair

Snitsky

Mr. Kennedy

 

The only person that really benefited from the move was Khali. Boogeyman got a decent push but is out for a while to sell the Big Daddy V angle, Wilson is used sparingly, probably less than she was used on RAW, Booker and Benoit are gone, Flair/Masters/Snitsky/Kennedy/Lashley were all gone due to injuries and suspensions.

 

Throw in the Supplemental portion from this year, it's a little more of a mixed bag, but quite a few names are gone too:

 

Paul London and Brian Kendrick

Kenny Dykstra

Viscera

The Sandman

Hardcore Holly

The Miz

Daivari

The Major Brothers

William Regal

Victoria

Jillian Hall

Eugene

Johnny Nitro

 

Viscera, Miz and Nitro benefitted, despite the fact Nitro also goes on the inactive list for a while, but this could mainly because they make up about 1/4 of the roster that they are on. Holly is hard to say because he didn't even go where he was drafted and is getting a solid midcard push, but was considered a headliner in ECW. Regal is getting an increased role now, although in a non-competitive role. Majors, Victoria, Jillian and Kenny are arguably in the same spots. London/Kendrick had a slight demotion. Eugene, Sandman and Daivari are all gone.

 

The last draft, 2005, only 2 people drafted to each side even remain with the company. Smackdown was depleated rather quickly after the draft. Granted that was two years ago, but still.

 

RAW:

John Cena

Kurt Angle - switched brands under a year later

Carlito

Big Show - left RAW brand roughly a year later

Rob Van Dam - injured for the first 6 months after draft, switched brands a few months after returning

 

Smackdown:

Chris Benoit - stayed there longest

Randy Orton - switched brands roughly a year later

Muhammad Hassan w/ Daivari - left company weeks after draft, Daivari went back to RAW shortly after

Christian - left company four months after

Batista - went down to injury six months into run

 

That's out of the more meaningful drafts, as the first one was the inital split and the second one was mostly undercard guys with the exception of Shelton, Edge and the trades involving Booker and a few others.

 

I'm probably over thinking it, but just something I'm surprised has never really been said, at least that I've heard.

 

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Anyone know if the writers for WWF are members of the Screenwriters Guild of America? It'd be interesting because it looks like they're going on strike at the end of the month. That might make things a bit more interesting in WWF-Land during the duration of the strike.

 

 

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