LOST

[Ravenbomb 0]

nice Pulp Fiction reference, there

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

What PF reference?

[Ravenbomb 0]

"No, it's gotta go through the sternum, just like in the mo-" (I assume the last word was "movie")

 

Also, the way he said "One...two..." before stabbing Sawyer with the needle was the exact same way Travolta said it before giving Uma Thurman the adrenaline injection

[DMann2003 0]

That's a cool reveal

[DMann2003 0]

"The only way to gain a con man's respect is to con him" That's a good line

[Craig Th 0]

I didn't get the whole island thing at the end.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Well the previews made that episode seem important. I've gotta stop caring about previews. Specifically the CTV preview that had Bens line about the con mans trust in it which because of I did not believe a word about the pacemaker storyline.

 

Was Desmonds whole point the magnetism of the island or that Charlie and Claire should've listened to him about fixing the roof?

[slimm44 0]

I didn't get the whole island thing at the end.

 

There are multiple islands?

[Dandy 0]

Anyone else notice in Sawyer's flashback that he gives the following advice on women?

 

"That's why you don't get attached, because that's when they got ya."

 

Or something like that. Kind of like being attached to Kate is his big weakness on the island.

[keith6601 0]

I spent about a week arguing with the wife after the premier that the wide shot of the Others village community you saw the island in the background, but it was a second island. Now that they've revealed there is indeed a second island, she's in bed asleep so I can't gloat.

 

I love how they left the tv with Jack and all he gets to watch is cartoons. Another great episode, this season has been such a high since the first minute.

[Mik 0]

I think Desmond's pole stopped the roof from getting hit by lightning.

 

That episode was awesome. I love this season.

 

I paused the preview when whatever is in front of the monitor and it actually looked like a dude w/ alien-type sunglasses on. We'll see.

 

I also don't think Jack is there to save Ben. That's way too obvious.

[Gert T 0]

I think it was a combo of both, Desmond wanted to see how the magnetism would react but also wanted to prove a point. Seriously they give him shit like that, its gonna be a long three months waiting for the next episodes.

 

For me the pacemaker was hard to believe when Juliet had to get Jack to help with surgery.

 

I said something about it at the end of Season 1, but it almost seems like for Sawyer's character to have closure is to die trying to save or saving Kate.

 

Do you think the "tumor" Ben has is a red herring in order to see if Jack's doctor oath with save anybody.

[Dandy 0]

I thought the "alien sunglasses" looked an awful lot like an eyepatch. Perhaps the man with the glass eye missing?

[Pegasus Kid 0]

I'm confused. If the boat was on the south side of the island, and Sayid's crew went around to get to the north end, wouldn't someone have noticed the other island? It didn't look like a small plot of land. Seems hard to miss.

[UZI Suicide 0]

This might have been the worst episode of LOST ever.

 

The "forced confession of false love" bit with Pickett-Sawyer-Kate was just laughably bad. At least they didn't go with what I thought they would do at some point (Ben holding a gun to Sawyer and Jack and asking who she loved more), but this was almost as bad. The whole scene was just embarassingly and probably sounded better in the writer's heads than it came across on screen.

 

The big reveal is that they're on another island? What a shocker. I was expecting to see the empire state building or something like that, but no, we get another island.. who the fuck didn't know there was another island? Total letdown.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I'm more confused as to how they got back to that island. I mean, they gave Walt their boat, and then they seemed pretty desperate to get Desmond's boat. I assumed that they only had one boat; so how'd they get them over there?

 

Further, even if we assume that Sayid somehow managed to sail around the island in such a way that none of them ever saw the other island, how come when Desmond arrived back he said that THE island was the only thing out there? I mean, if he was sailing around for weeks, and never got more then a little ways away from the island, you'd think he'd notice something like ANOTHER FRIGGIN' ISLAND.

[v.2 0]

I hate the second island. Hate it.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I'm more confused as to how they got back to that island. I mean, they gave Walt their boat, and then they seemed pretty desperate to get Desmond's boat. I assumed that they only had one boat; so how'd they get them over there?

 

Further, even if we assume that Sayid somehow managed to sail around the island in such a way that none of them ever saw the other island, how come when Desmond arrived back he said that THE island was the only thing out there? I mean, if he was sailing around for weeks, and never got more then a little ways away from the island, you'd think he'd notice something like ANOTHER FRIGGIN' ISLAND.

 

Thats why they wanted Desmonds boat. They didn't want them finding the other island/their hideout.

[C Dubya 04 0]

So, how many hatch hospitals are there then? We know that Kate found the one with Russo and Claire, but that couldn't be the one they were at last night because that's on the separate island.

 

Also, I was asking the wife last night, but does anyone know if they are going to bring Walt and Michael back? There are a lot of unanswered questions about Walt that really bother me.

[Mik 0]

Hey guys he said that the second island is slightly larger then the island that housed Alcatraz. We're not talking about Hawaii here.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Hey, Sawyer knocked up Joanie Stubbs. They need to bring in Dan Dority or Silas Adams as Other toughguys.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Hey guys he said that the second island is slightly larger then the island that housed Alcatraz. We're not talking about Hawaii here.

Yeah...and the other island is clearly visible from it. As aforementioned, Desmond never saw it in his 20 days of circling the island? Sayid never saw it while they were looping around? In 16 years, Rousseau never saw it?

 

Also, Benry's "We don't kill people"? What the hell was Ethan doing when he killed Scott/Steve, then, in the first season? And what was Goodwin doing when he snapped the neck of the not-really-an-other in the Tailies' makeshift jail cell? I can't tell if the writers are setting the Others up to be batshit crazy or if they're just hoping the audience forgets the last two seasons, but either way it's not working very well.

[C Dubya 04 0]

Another thing, how do the bears get to the main island if they're cages are on the "alcatrez" place? Did the others boat them across?

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

We all have questions about the two islands, but I don't understand why people don't like the idea of there being two islands.

 

 

They told us there was another island in the second season. This is old news.

[brokentusk16 0]

Yeah...and the other island is clearly visible from it. As aforementioned, Desmond never saw it in his 20 days of circling the island? Sayid never saw it while they were looping around? In 16 years, Rousseau never saw it?

 

Also, Benry's "We don't kill people"? What the hell was Ethan doing when he killed Scott/Steve, then, in the first season? And what was Goodwin doing when he snapped the neck of the not-really-an-other in the Tailies' makeshift jail cell? I can't tell if the writers are setting the Others up to be batshit crazy or if they're just hoping the audience forgets the last two seasons, but either way it's not working very well.

 

We don't know that Desmond never saw it. When Sayid brought going to see the Others, all he got was "So you're off to see the hostiles?" That's all he said. Hell, he could have tons of information about their origins, but he just hasn't brought it up yet.

 

As for the whole killing thing, I think that ties into their whole holier than thou attitude. The Others seem to think they're above the Losties, so maybe they see themselves as actual people and see the Losties as something lower. Hence, the lives of Ethan, Goodwin, and Colleen were more important than those of Steve, Ana Lucia, Nathan, and Libby.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Hey, Sawyer knocked up Joanie Stubbs. They need to bring in Dan Dority or Silas Adams as Other toughguys.

 

I dork out when I see others from my favorite tv shows. That's 2 from Oz and 2 from Deadwood now

[Above Average 0]

Hey guys he said that the second island is slightly larger then the island that housed Alcatraz. We're not talking about Hawaii here.

Yeah...and the other island is clearly visible from it. As aforementioned, Desmond never saw it in his 20 days of circling the island? Sayid never saw it while they were looping around? In 16 years, Rousseau never saw it?

 

Also, Benry's "We don't kill people"? What the hell was Ethan doing when he killed Scott/Steve, then, in the first season? And what was Goodwin doing when he snapped the neck of the not-really-an-other in the Tailies' makeshift jail cell? I can't tell if the writers are setting the Others up to be batshit crazy or if they're just hoping the audience forgets the last two seasons, but either way it's not working very well.

 

Desmond not finding anything occured before the Hatch imploded. Is it a reasonable theory that this is what caused him not to find the other island? Trying to see Alcaltraz from anywhere on the California coast would be difficult, so Rousseau would need to be in a specific place to spot it. Possible yes, probable maybe not so much... but possible?Sayid's journey around the island is an easy way to get around this though. I think Ben's reaction when they found out about the sailboat is telling. Juliet said they'll keep going in circles, but Ben contradicted her and ordered the search party to move as fast as they could, because they might find them and he wanted the boat, IIRC. This happened after the Hatch imploded, so the Electro Magnetic "snow-globe" effect, which might be why Rousseau couldn't see it, could have been destroyed. Plus, it doesn't seem like Sayid went completely around the island. He only made it to the docks, which is when they took the boat. Suspend your disbelief, this is a wrestling messageboard after all.

 

But enough about that, I really dug this episode. I originally thought Jack would have to save Collen but it was a nice twist for her to die. Like people said Ben having the spinal tumor seems too obvious (although it would be a nice change of pace if it were the obvious pick), so I'll say it's him instead of someone yet unseen. I knew I remembered the needle scene from something, but couldn't place it. Odd that I immediately got the 'Of Mice and Men' references instead of Pulp Fiction.

 

Sawyer's situation wasn't really believable, especially after Jack finds out that their equipment is broken during the OR scene, but your still not sure because the characters doubt is there. I liked that it's all another psychological experiment about Kate/Sawyer, but Pickett with his wife dead is tired of all the bullshit and pretty much forces Kate to confirm she loves Sawyer while whoopin his ass.

 

The flashback was good and established some cool parallel's. The Of Mice and Men quote at the end really brought it home, but Sawyer's weakness is falling in love. I'd have to check all of Sawyer's story to see if there are any hints that he was the subject of a long con himself with the whole baby thing. Now that would be cool.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

K, when in the second season did they say there was another island? I have no recollection of that at all.

 

Another thing, how do the bears get to the main island if they're cages are on the "alcatrez" place? Did the others boat them across?

 

Well, okay, that's just silly. They're freaking POLAR BEARS. They're excellent swimmers.

 

Also, I don't think it really matters how big the other island is; when there's only one other island for like, ever, Desmond shoulda seen the thing. But when he came back, he said that there was NOTHING out there.

[Gert T 0]

If there's two islands how was Goodwin able to run to the Tail section in a hour as Ben suggested in the S3 premiere?

[Guest limpidsage]

keep in mind, they're in the underwater hatch. that's how the others can get to and from the islands.